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AFriendlyFace
LOL, since there seems to be so much debate about this in the threads I thought we'd might as well make it a poll!

To me the evidence seems to point to Dennis bottoming. LOL, I'm too lazy to look up the relevant bits in the text right now though.

What does everyone else think?
-Kevin
Thirdeye
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 31 2007, 06:56 PM) *
LOL, since there seems to be so much debate about this in the threads I thought we'd might as well make it a poll!

To me the evidence seems to point to Dennis bottoming. LOL, I'm too lazy to look up the relevant bits in the text right now though.

What does everyone else think?
-Kevin



I thought Travis would be a bottom, but from some of the comments made in Chapter 17, it seems like Dennis was the bottom.
Graeme
I personally think you should add an option to the poll:

None of our business

tongue.gif
sat8997
QUOTE (Graeme @ May 31 2007, 07:24 PM) *
I personally think you should add an option to the poll:

None of our business

tongue.gif


Now that won't work at all. This is the Domaholics forum after all, things like 'None of our business' just won't fly. biggrin.gif

Sharon
bKite
From chapter 17



QUOTE
“It’s too bad,” Travis suddenly said. “I knew you’d be the worst kind of closet case, but I actually believed that f**king you wouldn’t complicate...”




bKite
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (bKite @ May 31 2007, 08:01 PM) *
From chapter 17

QUOTE
“It’s too bad,” Travis suddenly said. “I knew you’d be the worst kind of closet case, but I actually believed that f**king you wouldn’t complicate...”


bKite


That was one of the pieces of textual support for a "Dennis is a bottom" conclusion, but IMO it's an extremely weak one. To me "F**king" someone can have quite a few shades of meaning. Women are often described as "F**king" so and so (and I don't mean with the aid of any...err toys). Perhaps in it's strictest, most pure sense "F**king" would only describe the person doing the penetrating, but I don't think this is the way that most people would necessarily use and interpret the term. I also certainly don't think the context hear necessitates that Travis use it in that way. If he (Travis) had bottomed, it's unlikely he would have instead said "...but I actually believed that being F**ked by you wouldn't complicate...". This seems to me to be a way of speaking that is a tad unnatural.

Similarly, suppose we substitue the term "Screwing". It's generally acceptable to say that anyone is screwing anyone else (regardless of who's actually putting/recieving what where). To me it boils down to the same thing.

Instead, I take my belief that Dennis is the bottom based on the section of text in a previous chapter (I believe the one in which Dennis calls Owen to complain about his fortune cookie) that had Dennis evaluating his actions and taking note of how he was not only OKAY with what happened, but how he remembered urging Travis on (harder or faster or whatever) when Travis wasn't ...."keeping up(?)".
rekop1
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 31 2007, 07:41 PM) *
Instead, I take my belief that Dennis is the bottom based on the section of text in a previous chapter (I believe the one in which Dennis calls Owen to complain about his fortune cookie) that had Dennis evaluating his actions and taking note of how he was not only OKAY with what happened, but how he remembered urging Travis on (harder or faster or whatever) when Travis wasn't ...."keeping up(?)".




blink.gif what chapter was this on ??

My vote was Dennis bottoming, I also based it on what bKite quoted


Anthony
NaperVic
QUOTE (rekop1 @ May 31 2007, 07:56 PM) *
blink.gif what chapter was this on ??


Ummm Kevin, I'm as confused as Anthony. The fortune cookie incident was in Ch 16, and I can't find any resemblance of anything that sounds like what you brought up. Is that wishful thinking tongue.gif

Take Care®,

Vic

P.S. - If I remember correctly, most of Dom's characters seem to be versatile (even though Owen is a mental bottom and Aiden is the mental top, I believe Aiden bottomed for Owen on more than one occasion).
AFriendlyFace
LOL, fine you guys made me look it up!

Here's the section I was referring to, I was paraphrasing, and I knew at the time I wasn't exactly using the same words, but what I meant was:

QUOTE
He’d struggled through bites of his meal, being so close to his mother’s house, and thinking of things that would have been considered forbidden any closer to her front door. It was as if he were close enough to his family for them to know. When he thought about the way he’d let Travis kiss him until he was lightheaded, or the way he’d finally allowed himself to touch Travis, to enjoy the smell of his skin and the way his entire body felt hot to the touch when there were no clothes between them, it was embarrassing. Picturing the disgust on the faces of his family if they were to ever know he’d let down his guard long enough to actually ask for more when Travis had slowed down was frightening to him.


I suppose that doesn't necessarily refer to the sex itself per se, but that's how I took it when I first read it.

I agree with Vic though, ultimately I suspect Dennis and Travis would be versatile, but so far I think the evidence points toward Dennis bottoming. This does surprise me though. Personally though both seemed more like "tops" to me, and I assumed that had Travis ever gotten with either Owen or Aiden he would have topped. Still even given that without any evidence I would have assumed that when Travis and Dennis got together Dennis would top because in all likelihood I would have assumed that would be all he'd be willing to do. Yet, I think the story does indicate that Travis topped. Nevertheless, those are the only two bits of semi-solid textual support that I can recall, so if we're willing to discount both (and I'm certainly willing to discount the first), then I think we have to conclude that we simply don't have enough information to decide one way or another (in which case I'd revert back to my gut feeling about Dennis being more likely to top. So there! tongue.gif).

Have a great day all!
Kevin
Graeme
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ June 1 2007, 01:44 PM) *
LOL, fine you guys made me look it up!

Here's the section I was referring to, I was paraphrasing, and I knew at the time I wasn't exactly using the same words, but what I meant was:

QUOTE
He’d struggled through bites of his meal, being so close to his mother’s house, and thinking of things that would have been considered forbidden any closer to her front door. It was as if he were close enough to his family for them to know. When he thought about the way he’d let Travis kiss him until he was lightheaded, or the way he’d finally allowed himself to touch Travis, to enjoy the smell of his skin and the way his entire body felt hot to the touch when there were no clothes between them, it was embarrassing. Picturing the disgust on the faces of his family if they were to ever know he’d let down his guard long enough to actually ask for more when Travis had slowed down was frightening to him.


I suppose that doesn't necessarily refer to the sex itself per se, but that's how I took it when I first read it.


That could relate to the rate of kisses or oral sex. Way too vague.... tongue.gif
Bardeara
Oh.. hot topic indeed.

I agree with Vic.... Oh close your mouths people, I agree with Vic more then people know LOL i just like to get him going, because he's a good sport, despite the time he picked me up and threw me in a boat with no way to row back thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

I took the F***ing context much as Kevin did, but I took the context that Kevin is talking about with the cookie much like the sexual bottoming that we are really into debating at the moment.

I think at the moment Dennis is bottoming due to his desire to be free of his own chains which hes tightly put upon himself. Travis will loosen them and free him to a certain extent. Sadly i don't see them having the long lasting happy ending as everyone would like to see, but then that might be after Dom's story is done and he will give us the illusion that there is one there.
writeincode
Dennis is totally bottom. I think maybe if Travis really wanted him to dennis woulf top but he wouldn't be that happy about it.

O and I find it amusing that when Dom doesnt hand us sex on a silver platter we create mini sex forums...
lakini
Well, here's my two cents...

About the quote:
"he’d let down his guard long enough to actually ask for more when Travis had slowed down was frightening to him."

I thought this was refering to the kissing scene when Travis gave Dennis time to back out of it and he didn't...

Also, from Chapter 10:

Lacy says, '"God! What’s crawled up your butt, anyway?”
Nothing lately, Travis mused, which could be part of his problem. He felt too full of tension. Not himself."


Maybe I read too much into this, but I thought this might indicate that Travis was at least versatile... ? smile.gif
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (lakini @ June 1 2007, 01:02 PM) *
Well, here's my two cents...

About the quote:
"he’d let down his guard long enough to actually ask for more when Travis had slowed down was frightening to him."

I thought this was refering to the kissing scene when Travis gave Dennis time to back out of it and he didn't...

Also, from Chapter 10:

Lacy says, '"God! What’s crawled up your butt, anyway?”
Nothing lately, Travis mused, which could be part of his problem. He felt too full of tension. Not himself."


Maybe I read too much into this, but I thought this might indicate that Travis was at least versatile... ? smile.gif


Excellent point, Lakini!! I'd kinda forgotten about that, but now that you mention it I remember thinking along those lines when I read it too. Of course that doesn't surprise me at all. Travis definitely seems like the versatile type. And Dennis seemed more like a top to me. So I would have assumed Travis = bottom, Dennis = top. Still, some evidence does seem to point toward Dennis being the bottom, and as I said Travis seems versatile to me, not like a total bottom, So I could see it going either way. In any case, that's why it's better to speculate about Dennis than Travis, lol.
raz
I like the idea of Dennis being a bottom just because he *is* such a top-like character.
NaperVic
There appears to be evidence that both Dennis & Travis both bottomed or would be okay with bottoming.

But I bet there is a difference in their approach to bottomizing.

Dennis seems more like a legs goal posted in the air, 'lay back and get F**ked' kinda guy.

Travis probably falls into the 'Aggressive Bottom' category where Dennis lays on his back and Travis jumps into the saddle and takes control, sets the tempo, etc.

So while they've both bottomed, their approaches are polar opposites. thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

Take Care®,

Vic
Bardeara
QUOTE (writeincode @ June 1 2007, 08:14 AM) *
Dennis is totally bottom. I think maybe if Travis really wanted him to dennis woulf top but he wouldn't be that happy about it.

O and I find it amusing that when Dom doesnt hand us sex on a silver platter we create mini sex forums...


I think this is more fun... although I find it very amusing that we have excel in creating a, as you put it, 'mini sex forums'

personally, I'm waiting for Vic... (you hear that Vic!!!!) to start up on his amusing addtions and create the middle parts that Dom left out for us... much like he used to on the Yahoo forms. smile.gif
Conner
My vote was for Dennis as the bottom, at least in that particular exchange. I trust that you all remember the maxim, "One shot doth not a bottom make." innocent.gif tongue.gif

My guess would be that Dennis has not, to any significant extent, pondered his orientation, let alone his preferred role. Up until Travis' introductory offer, Dennis was a closet case onto himself.

Versatility, of course, offers one more options.

Conner
Jay
QUOTE (Bardeara @ June 2 2007, 08:01 PM) *
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personally, I'm waiting for Vic... (you hear that Vic!!!!) to start up on his amusing addtions and create the middle parts that Dom left out for us... much like he used to on the Yahoo forms. smile.gif


YES! I can see it now the Travis / Dennis scene that Dom didn't write by our very own Vic.

For those of you who have no idea of what I'm talking about check out Vic's topics in this forum.
Kanaye
Up until I saw this forum, I automatic figured Travis bottom Dennis top. For some reason, I just cant wrap my brain around the thought of Dennis bottoming. Just doesnt seem... him.

Oh... and I shall now be paintently waiting for Vic's "additions".
jamessavik
Dennis is a bottom:

the more they bluster and insist that thet're butch,
the much more likely that they take it in the tush.


-attributed to an old drag queen that looks like Ethel Merman
shadowgod
I dont think Dennis is a bottom...

Travis made a point of thinking someone had trained him and trained him well. Which to me ment he had the motions down to a fine art. I know its loose as the statment along with others is vague at best, but there is also the whole mental thing Dennis is dealing with, and somoe so gaurded so accusing of others to splay his legs at the first sign of interest just doesnt jive to me.

Also in reguarding Dennis being a bottom because he is such a "top" cant this line of thinking be applied to Travis, with more success?
glomph
Because of his difficulties with the idea of being gay, Dennis is very unlikely to be the instigator of any homosexual activity, and thus not likely to be the most active participant. It seems perfectly consistent to me.
bodgy
QUOTE (glomph @ August 26 2007, 03:09 PM) *
Because of his difficulties with the idea of being gay, Dennis is very unlikely to be the instigator of any homosexual activity, and thus not likely to be the most active participant. It seems perfectly consistent to me.


I can confirm, that this topic has provoked what can only be described as a mass debate, and I'm all for that! sad.gifcwm27.gif
writeincode
Okay, so I've come to a very psychoanalytical conclusion.

I suspect that although Travis would initiate any sexual activity, that Dennis would temporarily hold onto his dominant (non-sexual) role by being bit standoffish, completely emotionally-detached and dominant until his yearning for emotional connection and submissiveness and for being 'taken care of' (ie. by his neglectful parents) that is left unsatisfied in all other areas of his life would take over. Thus he would be bottom in the end.
lakini
QUOTE (shadowgod @ August 26 2007, 12:59 AM) *
I dont think Dennis is a bottom...

Travis made a point of thinking someone had trained him and trained him well. Which to me ment he had the motions down to a fine art. I know its loose as the statment along with others is vague at best, but there is also the whole mental thing Dennis is dealing with, and somoe so gaurded so accusing of others to splay his legs at the first sign of interest just doesnt jive to me.

Also in reguarding Dennis being a bottom because he is such a "top" cant this line of thinking be applied to Travis, with more success?


This makes the most sense to me.
As Shadowgod mentioned, Travis thinks, "...what Dennis lacked in his ability to figure out what he wanted, he made up for with experience--which, he’d obviously gotten somewhere. And this, made Travis curious." This indicates that Dennis had a somewhat active role, whatever the activities they did together. (Also, I don't think Dennis & Leo went that far)... Also, I dunno, but wouldn't a self-considering straight guy have at least a bit of a problem with 'bottoming', especially the first time they hook up? unsure.gif
writeincode
QUOTE (lakini @ August 28 2007, 06:21 PM) *
This makes the most sense to me.
As Shadowgod mentioned, Travis thinks, "...what Dennis lacked in his ability to figure out what he wanted, he made up for with experience--which, he’d obviously gotten somewhere. And this, made Travis curious." This indicates that Dennis had a somewhat active role, whatever the activities they did together. (Also, I don't think Dennis & Leo went that far)... Also, I dunno, but wouldn't a self-considering straight guy have at least a bit of a problem with 'bottoming', especially the first time they hook up? unsure.gif

Actually I agree with that now that I think about it.
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (jamessavik @ August 25 2007, 11:36 PM) *
Dennis is a bottom:

the more they bluster and insist that thet're butch,
the much more likely that they take it in the tush.


-attributed to an old drag queen that looks like Ethel Merman

laugh.gif
I love that!

QUOTE (shadowgod @ August 25 2007, 11:59 PM) *
Also in reguarding Dennis being a bottom because he is such a "top" cant this line of thinking be applied to Travis, with more success?

Well, with equal success anyway. I would think.

QUOTE (glomph @ August 26 2007, 12:09 AM) *
Because of his difficulties with the idea of being gay, Dennis is very unlikely to be the instigator of any homosexual activity, and thus not likely to be the most active participant. It seems perfectly consistent to me.

I agree that Dennis is unlikely to initiate the sex, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily the "passive" partner once the sex is occurring. I'm imagining something that boils down to:

Travis: Let's have sex
Dennis: ...well...okay...I guess. But I'm not getting F-d, I'll top.
Travis: Whatever. (I'm sure Travis is versatile)

QUOTE (writeincode @ August 26 2007, 05:41 AM) *
Okay, so I've come to a very psychoanalytical conclusion.

I suspect that although Travis would initiate any sexual activity, that Dennis would temporarily hold onto his dominant (non-sexual) role by being bit standoffish, completely emotionally-detached and dominant until his yearning for emotional connection and submissiveness and for being 'taken care of' (ie. by his neglectful parents) that is left unsatisfied in all other areas of his life would take over. Thus he would be bottom in the end.

An interesting evaluation. Seems plausible, although I still have a hunch that Dennis has thus far been topping. Actually I think in the end he'd be versatile too.
kingofgeeks84
QUOTE (Bardeara @ June 2 2007, 07:01 PM) *
I think this is more fun... although I find it very amusing that we have excel in creating a, as you put it, 'mini sex forums'

personally, I'm waiting for Vic... (you hear that Vic!!!!) to start up on his amusing addtions and create the middle parts that Dom left out for us... much like he used to on the Yahoo forms. smile.gif


worshippy.gif
Actually I know the feeling andthat in no way indicates I'm a top tongue.gif

As for minisexforums: that just shows we have a very dir*cough* active imagination cool.gif
glomph
Old song lyrics from Cole Porter, a gay writer himself.

Note the recurring:

QUOTE
But if, baby, I'm the bottom you're the top!
guitar.gif
NaperVic
QUOTE (shadowgod @ August 25 2007, 09:59 PM) *
Also in reguarding Dennis being a bottom because he is such a "top" cant this line of thinking be applied to Travis, with more success?


Travis could still bottom and be in control, which matches his personality. Travis could just be an agressive bottom cool.gif
Leo
Well, this is certainly an odd poll blink.gif , BUT I'm sad to admit I've wondered the same thing. I dislike labels "top" "bottom" etc, doesn't rly matter to anyone outside the relationship(fictional or real) in my opinion, but anyway I recall reading somewhere Travis getting a question along the lines of "what's up your butt?" and he thinks "nothing recently, maybe that's the problem" (Yes I realise Lakini already mentioned this, just adding it again to explain my reasoning biggrin.gif ) so I'm betting on Travis being versatile or "bottom" . Though I like the way Dom didn't give too much information on the matter. I don't read his great stories for sex scenes cwm27.gif
kingofgeeks84
QUOTE (Leo @ October 10 2007, 02:39 AM) *
I don't read his great stories for sex scenes cwm27.gif

blink.gif Oh yeah, me neither. And I'm pretty sure those staright boys buy playboy for the articles tongue.gif
A-Trav
QUOTE
blink.gif Oh yeah, me neither. And I'm pretty sure those staright boys buy playboy for the articles tongue.gif


playboys are bought for the articles, I swear...the pictures just get in the way of reading them
kashka
yeah, i know. i actually tried reading an issue or two of playboy.
this magazine has to be for guys who like challenges and intelectual games. it has to be kinda exciting, having to search for an article in a magazine, not like one of those easy reads like newsweek or financial times where you have no trouble finding a column at all... no fun tongue.gif
Rad
Hmmmmm I wonder why virtually ALL the reference of sex between Travis & Dennis (if I read it right) point to Dennis being the bottom wub.gif
Leo
*Bitchslaps kingofgeeks for sarcasm and bad spelling* tongue.gif and do straight boys even buy playboy anymore? I'd have thought dirty mags went out of fashion with adsl, download programs, and the free porn high-way biggrin.gif . And I don't think many people would be reading Dom's stories for horndog purposes blink.gif I mean lets face it, if your into getting off over printing, why would you click a link called "Desert Dropping" when right next to it theres stories dubbed "blow me bitch" cwm27.gif , gotta love subtlety
writeincode
The sex in Dom's stories is like icing on a cake. I mean, how much better is banana bread with passion fruit-vanilla icing? But then again a bowl of just the icing gets boring after a while.

You need the substance as well as sex and therefore "Blow Me Bitch" wouldn't quite cut the cake (excuse the awful pun).

Soph
who really loves banana-bread with passion fruit-vanilla icing
Menzoberranzen
QUOTE (writeincode @ November 7 2007, 02:08 AM) *
The sex in Dom's stories is like icing on a cake. I mean, how much better is banana bread with passion fruit-vanilla icing? But then again a bowl of just the icing gets boring after a while.

You need the substance as well as sex and therefore "Blow Me Bitch" wouldn't quite cut the cake (excuse the awful pun).

Soph
who really loves banana-bread with passion fruit-vanilla icing


I'm sure we could think of other, more unconvential, uses for a bowl of icing wink.gif
Leo
Considering I'm allergic to banana and vanilla, I don't like it conventional OR unconventional blink.gif now strawberry icing... well that's a whole 'nother story
writeincode
QUOTE (Leo @ November 7 2007, 09:41 AM) *
Considering I'm allergic to banana and vanilla, I don't like it conventional OR unconventional blink.gif now strawberry icing... well that's a whole 'nother story

So you like strawberry icing conventionally AND unconventionally? This is very scandalous indeed for someone who innocently assumes that no one reads Dom's stories for the sex scenes... wink.gif
Krista
I'm going to have to start reading this story.... blink.gif


Krista
Benji
QUOTE (Krista @ November 16 2007, 10:06 AM) *
I'm going to have to start reading this story.... blink.gif


Krista



cool.gif ..............Sudden urge for whipped cream tongue.gif
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (Menzoberranzen @ November 7 2007, 06:49 AM) *
I'm sure we could think of other, more unconvential, uses for a bowl of icing wink.gif

I *KNOW* we've had this conversation before in this forum LOL! laugh.gif
writeincode
QUOTE (Benji @ November 16 2007, 10:13 AM) *
cool.gif ..............Sudden urge for whipped cream tongue.gif
Whipped cream? Where did the icing go?

EDIT: wait... don't answer that blink.gif
rknapp
Wow, I really shouldn't burst back into the forum without catching up in the story... I think I've read up to chapter 6 and now Dennis is bottoming? (I had a feeling things would happen between him and 'ol Travis, so it's not a total spoiler)

Without reading the rest of this thread or the story itself I'll call Dennis a top only because he is (was) a macho footballer with a superiority complex in public. Although, his inferiority complex at home might suggest him being a bottom...

I'll leave before I continue to mindlessly speculate on something of which I know nothing about lmao.
Kanaye
Well, I know that I said before that I just assumed Dennis was top. But I re-read ITFB about a week ago and I actully like my imaged sex scenes better when I put Dennis on the bottom. More delicious that way. Teeheehee.
BeaStKid
QUOTE (Kanaye @ February 21 2008, 03:30 PM) *
Well, I know that I said before that I just assumed Dennis was top. But I re-read ITFB about a week ago and I actully like my imaged sex scenes better when I put Dennis on the bottom. More delicious that way. Teeheehee.

Naughty Kanaye!! devilsmiley.gif

It's great to have you back, sugar... smile.gif wink.gif

BeaStKid devilsmiley.gif
Kanaye
Why thank you.

Without my Dom-fix Ive been distracting myself with gaiaonline.com . Unfortuantly its been working a bit too well.
Hawke
Thank God I read this all AFTER I finished the story (though, believe me, it was hard NOT to peek in these damn forums lol).

I think everyone's made good points so far, and it may be safe to assume that both Travis and Dennis have lines said about them in ITFL that points to them being both tops and bottoms. Dennis has experience...Travis thinks that nothing's been up his butt so far...and then of course, there's all the actual emotions (such as Dennis being "masculine" and "in-the-closet", and Travis being carefree, etc etc) to consider too..

So for now, I'd say that Dennis bottomed (again, pointing to the quote where he urged Travis on faster/harder/whatever)...but it would be reasonable to say they could switch off in the future. And hopefully, we'll actually get to see it happen this time tongue.gif though with how ITFL has been going, I'm not sure if any really sexual scenes will come up.

Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. I only scanned most of the replies, so $5 says I basically repeated everything without knowing it ^^ I'm a tool. biggrin.gif
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