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BeaStKid
Surely the most wonderful gay stories are the 'coming out' ones. We've read scores, those lucky amongst us have even heard some live. Of course we have our own stories too. Still I'm pasting these two succint clips by mums related to two periods - the moment of 'coming out' & the positives that emerge from it.

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Laura Siegel writes:

On the first Sunday of May 1985, (for some reason parents remember
this date the way they remember their child's birthdate) my 19 year
old son asked me to meet him in Golden Gate Park. He had something
important to tell me.

After he jogged eight miles around the Polo Field track (he later
told me he was terrified of coming out) and we ate our picnic lunch,
he showed me his poetry journal.

Page after page was filled with phrases like "f**K the world,"
and "what does it matter." We sat quietly for a few moments before I
asked if there was anything else.

"Yes," he said, lowering his head.

Then silence.

"Are you gay?" I asked him.

I still don't know why I said this because I really had no idea that
he might be gay. He didn't fit any of the gay stereotypes. He was
athletic and he was not effeminite. If anything, I thought my
heterosexual son might be gay because he seemed the more "sensitive"
of the two.

The first comment I made was, "But you had a girlfriend." He said
that they were never very affectionate.

"You've known for awhile, right?" he asked me.

But I hadn't. How would I know? Because he liked to cook and clean
house?

After awhile I began to understand why he was sure I would know. This
is something he has always been. Being gay permeates every pore of
his being. If I suddenly had to come out to everyone as female, I
would probably also say, "You guessed right?" because...how could
they not.

I also began to realize that gay and lesbian people come in as many
varieties as heterosexual people. Stereotypes are what we see on TV
and in magazines - the man in a dress (he does wear dresses on
occassion, but that's another story), the woman in a man's suit.
These are all possibilities, but there are gay men who are football
players and lesbians who are wear makeup and high heels.

I wish he could have expressed his gayness at a very early age. When
I told my son I loved him, he breathed a sigh of relief and
said, "Now I can lower my shoulders. Now I can raise my voice an
octave." This saddened me more than anthing - that he was also
trapped in the stereotypical belief - that if he dared to relax his
posture or raise the pitch of his voice, then everyone would know he
was gay and he would be ostracized.

I hope we are learning now that our children have unique and varied
identities and we must love them not in spite of these variations but
because of them.

------------ --

Nancy Lampkin Olsen writes:
In fact, I 'Was' Thrilled


You know, I don't honestly think anything has changed since I first
learned that Christian was gay. But, to be honest, I'm the flake who
is convinced I knew he was gay practically from the day he was born,
remember?

Since Kurt and I have been going to PFLAG meetings, it has been
Christian who has had to rethink the coming out process. He is
forever saying that he created a monster between his father and me
because we are waaaaaay too far out there for his comfort at times.
This can be extremely frustrating for both Kurt and me. Isn't that
always the way things work in life? The parents who are okay with it
are the ones who have to be semi-muzzled because the child cannot be
as out as he'd like to be. Bummer.

But Kurt and I are not just celebrating Christian's orientation. We
celebrate every gay person's orientation. When Kurt and I met it was
on the "boards" at St. Louis Muny Opera in 1966. I'm not sure I had
ever consciously met a gay person before that, although I had a
degree in Theatre. Talk about naivete.

But as I was exposed to gay people, I truly fell in love. Theatre
people are exceptional anyway, but gay theatre people are in a class
by themselves. Kurt and I moved to New York City with a whole gaggle
of gay people from Muny Opera and it was a family like no other. We
had two older sons who had so many "eccentric" aunts, it wasn't
funny. So when Christian was born, he was born into a family of
gypsies. Around the age of 2 or 3 our friends tell me now, they knew
Christian was gay. How they knew, I don't know. They just did. I
won't go into reasons. Suffice it to say some of them were
stereotypical and I know that can be a hot button of sorts, so "I
won't go there, Loretta."

I firmly believe that it is a blessing to have gay people as friends.
In our case, because we came from a theatre background, when
Christian ultimately did come out to us, how could we, in good
conscience have treated our own son any less than we treated our
nearest and dearest friends?

I haven't had a moments regret that Christian is who he is, with a
caveat. I hate the fact that he is despised by so many. I hate the
fact that he has to look over his shoulder day in and day out because
to know him is to love him. I wonder why he is a threat to mainstream
America. He works very hard, pays his taxes, has a wonderful loving
relationship, is kind to animals, yadda yadda. I know that "gay
bashing" is said to be "violence against men who love men by men who
fear they love men." But sometimes I wonder if homophobia isn't
simply 'fear' of men who love men by men who fear they love men, at
least to some extent.

Somebody very wise in a FLAGPOLE article once said that when your son
or daughter comes out to you, nothing has really changed from when
that child first came into your life. Get in touch with the same
feelings you had when he or she was born and become a tiger for that
child. Kurt and I are tigers. Grrrrrrrr.
AFriendlyFace
What wonderful excerpts! I thoroughly enjoyed them!

Thank you Beastkid smile.gif
-Kevin
colinian
BSK,

Those are great stories. Thanks for posting them.

Coming out is almost always traumatic. Mine was, because my mom outed me on my 17th birthday. She'd just gotten tired of waiting for me to tell her and my dad. They are 100% supportive and they tell me they love me totally. I tell them the same thing, and that's 100% true.

Most gay guys I know went through the nervous drama of telling their folks, and with only a couple of exceptions is went well for all of them. The worst example was when a friend was pulled out of Intermediate school and sent to a Catholic school across town so he wouldn't be under the "influence" of his boyfriend. When he (by accident) ended up at the same high school as his boyfriend they thought they could keep it a secret. They were discovered, and his father gave him an ultimatum: go to a private school out of state or be disowned. A minor in California cannot be disowned. His boyfriend's family (who knew about them and were OK with their relationship) offered to be and became his guardians. He still has regular contact with his brother and sister, and every so often with his mom who isn't supportive but hasn't cut him off. He hasn't seen or talked to his father since he elected to not take his father's ultimatum.

It really sucks when parents can't love their kid because of the kid's orientation.


Colin cool.gif
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (colinian @ September 22 2007, 01:51 PM) *
Coming out is almost always traumatic. Mine was, because my mom outed me on my 17th birthday. She'd just gotten tired of waiting for me to tell her and my dad. They are 100% supportive and they tell me they love me totally. I tell them the same thing, and that's 100% true.

Awww wub.gif
QUOTE (colinian @ September 22 2007, 01:51 PM) *
Most gay guys I know went through the nervous drama of telling their folks, and with only a couple of exceptions is went well for all of them. The worst example was when a friend was pulled out of Intermediate school and sent to a Catholic school across town so he wouldn't be under the "influence" of his boyfriend. When he (by accident) ended up at the same high school as his boyfriend they thought they could keep it a secret. They were discovered, and his father gave him an ultimatum: go to a private school out of state or be disowned. A minor in California cannot be disowned. His boyfriend's family (who knew about them and were OK with their relationship) offered to be and became his guardians. He still has regular contact with his brother and sister, and every so often with his mom who isn't supportive but hasn't cut him off. He hasn't seen or talked to his father since he elected to not take his father's ultimatum.

WOW! That's quite a story! I'm so sorry for your friend. It almost seemed like fate or something when he ended up attending the same school as his boyfriend after all! It's awesome that his boyfriend's family helped him out like that! So tell me are they still together?

Take care all,
Kevin
Graeme
QUOTE (colinian @ September 23 2007, 04:51 AM) *
It really sucks when parents can't love their kid because of the kid's orientation.

A teenager once told me that a lot of teens could take rejection by their friends (not like it, but they could handle it), but it's rejection by their parents that they couldn't take. I have to say that that is the reason I never came out to my parents. I just couldn't risk being rejected by them -- I was too scared.

I may eventually come out to my mum (she's in her 80s now), but I've lost any chance to come out to my dad as he passed away over ten years ago.

On the other hand, my wife and I have agreed I need to come out to my two boys before the eldest hits puberty. We need to tell them before hormones complicate everything. We are also both aware of the possibility that one, or both, of them may turn out to be gay, and we have both agreed that the only thing that matters to us is that they are happy. We may express some disapproval if they become politicians, but other than that.... biggrin.gif
colinian
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ September 22 2007, 03:30 PM) *
...WOW! That's quite a story! I'm so sorry for your friend. It almost seemed like fate or something when he ended up attending the same school as his boyfriend after all! It's awesome that his boyfriend's family helped him out like that! So tell me are they still together?

Take care all,
Kevin


Ron lives closer to another high school in our district, but went to the one I attended because there was a bus line to our HS and not to the one he was supposed to go to. Eric's folks had him go to my HS because they knew Ron didn't live in our area and would be going to the other HS. And they are still BF's, and are freshmen at the local community college this year.

Colin cool.gif
Menzoberranzen
QUOTE (Graeme @ September 22 2007, 07:31 PM) *
A teenager once told me that a lot of teens could take rejection by their friends (not like it, but they could handle it), but it's rejection by their parents that they couldn't take. I have to say that that is the reason I never came out to my parents. I just couldn't risk being rejected by them -- I was too scared.


Rejection by parents is something that affects you in a way nothing else does, often in very subtle ways. I used to think I'd totally gotten over that experience, but it's something that changes who you are as a person, for both better and worse. To me, that trauma was always worth the pain, but I know for many people it's just not.

Menzo
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (Graeme @ September 22 2007, 05:31 PM) *
I may eventually come out to my mum (she's in her 80s now), but I've lost any chance to come out to my dad as he passed away over ten years ago.

Perhaps this is not the best thread in which to pose the question, but I have to ask do you feel more of a sense of..."relief" that you never had to broach the subject, or "regret" that you were never able to share this with him?

I ask not to be nosy, but because I'd more or less decide that the best course of action for me to take with my elderly grandparents was not to tell them, and simply to let things be. However, I'd hate to think that in years to come I would regret that decision.
QUOTE (Graeme @ September 22 2007, 05:31 PM) *
On the other hand, my wife and I have agreed I need to come out to my two boys before the eldest hits puberty. We need to tell them before hormones complicate everything.

Sounds like a very good idea! Good luck! smile.gif
QUOTE (Graeme @ September 22 2007, 05:31 PM) *
We are also both aware of the possibility that one, or both, of them may turn out to be gay, and we have both agreed that the only thing that matters to us is that they are happy.

awww wub.gif
QUOTE (Graeme @ September 22 2007, 05:31 PM) *
We may express some disapproval if they become politicians, but other than that.... biggrin.gif

Seriously? LOL, I mean I wouldn't really want my kids in politics either, but that wouldn't be at all contingent upon whether or not they were gay.

QUOTE (colinian @ September 23 2007, 01:03 AM) *
Ron lives closer to another high school in our district, but went to the one I attended because there was a bus line to our HS and not to the one he was supposed to go to. Eric's folks had him go to my HS because they knew Ron didn't live in our area and would be going to the other HS. And they are still BF's, and are freshmen at the local community college this year.

Awww, awesome! wub.gif

QUOTE (Menzoberranzen @ September 23 2007, 07:41 AM) *
Rejection by parents is something that affects you in a way nothing else does, often in very subtle ways. I used to think I'd totally gotten over that experience, but it's something that changes who you are as a person, for both better and worse. To me, that trauma was always worth the pain, but I know for many people it's just not.

hug.gif
Graeme
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ September 24 2007, 02:50 PM) *
Perhaps this is not the best thread in which to pose the question, but I have to ask do you feel more of a sense of..."relief" that you never had to broach the subject, or "regret" that you were never able to share this with him?

It's a bit of both. The main issue is that by not telling my parents, I never came out of the closet, and therefore never had a chance to find a boyfriend.

I don't regret not telling him because it is largely irrelevant now. It was just that I didn't tell him before I got married....
BeaStKid
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ September 22 2007, 11:03 PM) *
What wonderful excerpts! I thoroughly enjoyed them!

Thank you Beastkid smile.gif
-Kevin


QUOTE (colinian @ September 23 2007, 12:21 AM) *
BSK,

Those are great stories. Thanks for posting them.
Colin cool.gif

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