Well this definitely got my attention today!!

But unfortunately all is not what it seems.

Hopefully I can get a link to work here

When on the page then click on the video link for pregnant man.

Steve

Oh, that's really special, that's kinda freaky actually,, not that he shouldn't be able to, but that's still weird...

I wrote my story as a "joke" I never thought that it could happen,

I will only believe something like that when scientists confirm it. Men do not get pregnant. I think some people watch too many movies, because having a baby is something a man cannot do and probably will not be able to do anytime soon, if ever.

But did you actually watch the video?

They make a few good points that in this case it might be possibly true.

I guess the question really is when does a person stop being a woman and becomes a man?

"He" is not a man. "He" was born female and never had complete sexual reassignment surgery.

Wildone's subtle comment about it not being what it seems was spot-on accurate and very funny!

I saw this and my mind right away went to "nuh uh!", but then I watched the video and saw that he has a uterus and then I was like, "oh, okay...no big deal." lol

In that case, it can happen. I don't know why they made a big deal about it in the story. Now if an actual man were pregnant that would be news worthy. The same could be said for a virginal woman who had not been artificially inseminated. However, many claim that such a thing happened, in fact an entire religion is dedicated to it.

Well that's new. It's actually very interesting to hear about something like this, and I can't help but wish the best of luck for the family.

Reminds me of this FTM I know and how he went to the gynecologist one time because his ovaries were hurting. The receptionist looked at him like he was crazy at first, but did admit him after awhile. But anyway, I wonder if this guy did this because his wife had fertility issues or something.

I've just read an article from the Sydney Morning Herald where it presents the claim that this is a hoax.

Based on the information, it's quite feasible since genetically and from a reproductive point of view he is still female, but I would be worried about any long term effects from the hormone's he had been taking prior to the decision to become pregnant.

Blech! He said. She said. It's nothing more than idle speculation from a nosy neighbor. I want to see an article with some real substance to it.

Although it would be a first in a sense, what are the chances of survival if it is indeed true.

I would imagine the baby would have to be delivered by cesarean section, which brings up the other question. Not being a biology major , how would they get a fertilized egg into the uterus? Furthermore, if the uterus was functioning properly and could sustain life, what would happen during menstrual cycles?

Ok, gross, I know, but supposedly he/she only kept the uterus and ovaries and replaced the other 'equipment' with male genitalia.

I'm soooo confused .

The more I think of it, the more I think it is indeed a hoax.

IIRC the video didn't say anything about his genitalia. As far as I can tell, he still had his vagina. All he's done really is get breast reduction surgery, dress like a man, take testosterone shots/pills, etc. Again, he hasn't had the entire gender reformation surgery.

Actually, I heard about a man is a pregnant and I am pretty surprised about that! But, everyone outside the world can't go and talk shit about them (don't worry, I wasn't talking about you guys, I am talking about people in general) because, personally, in my opinion, I think it is that guy's and his wife's business. At least, they have a kid soon that they have been waiting for so long...

You do know he's biologically female and still has a functioning vagina, don't you?

***Warning: described within are anatomical/physiological specifics on this topic, if you don't want to read too many details I recommend stopping here***

This case is definitely real, there was a big story about it on the news awhile back. Also like the article said there has been at least one (probably a lot more) births from transgendered individuals. The main thing to remember here is this is an ordiary woman with some testosterone in her system, that is about it (and the breast reduction).


They stopped the testosterone injections before inseminating. It would also be VERY irresponsible for the doctor that did the insemination to do so while the person was on testosterone injections. Females still have testosterone in their system but not nearly as much as males.

What would happen if she still had testosterone in her system when she was pregnant? Well I'm not sure you want to know. If the baby was a girl she would have female pseudohermaphroditism, where her internal reproductive organs would be female (ie ovaries, vagina) but would have a larger clitoris that looks like a penis. If the baby was a boy this wouldn't affect the reproductive organs. In both cases the increased testosterone could affect the development of the fetus.



Well like azure dragon said, she is biologically female and did not have complete gender reassignment surgery (just breast reduction and testosterone injections). As for her menstrual cycles.....again, I doubt you want to know. Basically with her hormone therapy she would stop having menstrual cycles. By stopping the hormone therapy she could once again menstrate and get pregnant.

Sorry to get all medical on y'all.....hope it helps things make sense.

Greg

Thanks for the anatomy lesson, Greg. I really don't see why the story is such a big deal though. She's still anatomically female, so there doesn't seem to be anything that unusual about it. Now, if it were the male-to-female post-op transexual, that would be huge news imho.

hahaha....that is currently beyond us, both biologically, scientifically and medically. The male body just isn't designed to support or handle a fetus.

I think that applies in an extra-body manner as well.

Seriously, other than the freak-show quality of this story is there really any story here at all? He's a she. She's gonna have a baby. I'm sensitive to transgender issues. I'm beta-reading/editing a book about it so I have to be sensitive about/comfortable with it. To me this is nothing more than a woman in drag. Women get pregnant every day all over the world! There's nothing to see here. Move along please.

Ronnie!! **smiles and waves**





I know neither of you mean any offense at all to transgender individuals, but implying that an FTM trans individual who presents and thinks of himself as a man is not an "actual man" or "is really a she" is something which the majority of trans people would find very objectionable. It's better to use Graeme or Greg's "Biological female"/scientific approach in terms of sensitivity to the issue.

Anyway, I just point this out in an effort to let you know the likely perception trans people would have to those statements so that perhaps you won't accidentally offend anyone. As I said, I know neither of you meant any offense (all the more reason to tell you!), also please note that I say this as a fellow GA member who's fairly well-versed in trans issues and not as a moderator.



This is my reaction too, Mike.


Anyway, I'm delighted for them and I hope their little girl is very happy and healthy.


Take care all and have a great day
Kevin

Kev, I am the first to admit to not understanding the gender identity paradigm. At the same time, I do try to be sympathetic to gender minorities, because they are attacked just as much as we are. Having said that, I am definitely happy with my gender and have no plans to have any kind of surgery to change it. I have actually been trying to imagine what it's like, but I just cannot imagine having gender identity issues. I also do not think I would ever cross-dress. That is not my thing at all. I will try to remember to use terms like biological female in the future. I meant no offense to anyone at all.

Kevie, of course I meant no offense. According to my transgendered friends and acquaintances this person would not be considered a male in the strict medical definition of the term. Psychologically yes. It's up to each of us how to determine what that means. To me in absence of sexual reassignment surgery this person is still a female. That's why I claim there's nothing of substance to this story. It's just a female dressing as a make who happens to get pregnant.

Who will be the legal mother if this child is born? That might be a more interesting discussion.

Standard disclaimer: I have a bad migraine today. I'm on narcotics. I claim ownership of my mistakes in spelling and logic even if both elude me at the moment.

I'd beg to differ and say it's not up to us at all, but the person in question and it falls on us to respect their identity. If a transgendered person identifies as a male and looks the part, then he is a male. What's under his drawers isn't our concern. And if he's the one bearing the child, then he's the biological mother. This situation might be uncommon, but it's hardly mindblowing.

I well understand. I personally can't imagine having any gender identity issues myself either. I thing a big concern for many trans and gay people alike is that these issues are often tied together when really they're quite different. As I said I know you meant no offense at all


Exactly! I thoroughly agree with this post!

Since I'm the one here with gender identity isues, I can see both sides. In a way the headline is misleading. Like most headlines it tries to sound like a bigger story than it is. When I first heard the news it did sound like some kind of medical miracle. Being the sceptic that I am I was imediately wondering what the catch was. Even so it was a little disapointing to learn that the "man" was in a rather awkward state between mom and dad.

If I were the pregnant guy I think I would be a little hurt if someone called me a woman after all the hormone treatments, plastic surgery, etc. It's weird living in a body that does not seem like it is really yours. Looking in the mirror is strange. Interacting with others is even stranger. It seems like you always have something to hide...until you are pregnant and the whole world is talking.

Are you saying you agree with me that the pregnant guy is still technically considered a female? To me the transformation is not complete until the sexual reassignment surgery is complete. In this case meaning she has been physiologically transformed into a male, complete with a penis. Help me with this please because I really want to understand how transgendered persons feel about this issue. In the example of the book I'm working on the sexual reassignment is complete. To all but the most observant doctors he is now a she. Certainly her husband feels that way. And yet there is the ever-present angst of knowing she can only permit one doctor to lay his hands on her and he's just been diagnosed with terminal cancer.

I can only speak for myself here because I don't know many transgendered people and can not guess what they might think. In the case of the pregnant man, I think he is still far from being completely male. I would not consider him a normal woman either although for the purpose of having a child he is. I think the best lable I could give him/her is 'a work in progress'.

People who undergo gender reasignment have to follow a certain procedure. I believe they first have the hormone treatment. Then, for the FtoM case, they have the breast surgury. The last step is to fix the genitals which has now become more difficult because the hormone shift has altered the flexability and thickness of the female parts.

If I were making the rules I would start with the removal of all the female parts and then work on creating male features. Biologicaly it makes more sense, but the doctors do not want to be sued if someone changes her mind. I think that is why they leave the lower body until the end. This is all based on what I have heard and read. I have not done any of this myself (It's expensive) so my description may not be perfectly acurate.

In terms of how someone may feel about their body I'm sure it varies. I think most people feel like they are pretending to be someone else before they have any medical treatment. After the changes have been made I think most people try to live a normal life not dweling on the past. There is some fear of exposure in most cases because it is hard to tell how people may react if they suddenly find out about your past.

A little update:

I saw on the news tonight, that the gentleman appeared on Oprah today, and video was shown of him having an ultrasound done showing a healthy baby girl growing inside him.

Unfortunately it seems that the hate campaign is starting to get involved, including his own family.

Furthermore it was explained that he has continued producing eggs from his ovaries since his reassignment surgery. When faced with his wife being unable to produce eggs herself, they decided to have artificial insemination done from a donor.

Also, do to his reassignment surgery, he is recognized by the law as being a man.

Interesting! Thanks for the update!

I heard abt this at my work. Can you believe it? In that small island all alone in an ocean...

*mutters about globalisation*

But poeple are labelling it with gays. I think that's more for transgendered, as said here. Because gays are men and I dnt think they will be able to have child, or at least be pregnant with one.

Take care,
Ieshwar

..............Are people really equating this "pregnant transgendered guy" to Gays? That is so wrong, there's nothing wrong about transgendered people. But this person is not gay.

Transgendered people can be straight, gay, or somewhere in between. Making assumptions is never a good idea.

I hate to sound like a dick but there is nothing amazing about this.

He's still biologically a woman, not a man no matter how much he cut off his boobs and grew his dick. In this case, biology won't respect his gender identity.

I agree that there isn't really anything biologically amazing about all this, but it could be a fairly significant step societally.

I think it's important that people get over the notion that a 'family' is a man, a woman, and a kid/kids. Families come in all different varieties and important for us as a society to realize that. So if transgendered people having kids is going to help carry that torch then I'm certainly behind it, even more so than I would be on a strictly personal level (obviously regardless of any other agendas I want people to be able have kids and start families if that's what they want).

I have to note that I don't disapprove of this though. I would still consider him as a father of the child of course.

It's just I cannot see him as a pregnant man. Biologically speaking, of course, without any disrespect to the transgendered people. That's all.

Let me know when a biological male get pregnant with an ingrown uterus. Then I'll be amazed, but I won't disapprove of that either.

Current "traditionalist" view of family today is so outdated to me. And it's likely the "redefined" view of family will be outdated once again fifty years later, and will I follow it? No idea...best not to say never or will, but I refuse to be an old man with "outdated" views and always complaining that the old days are much better.

OMG, it has happened again

ROTFL , poor guy. *pats*

Oh my!