This is for y'all to discuss DOR, in a general or specific fashion if you wish. If you want to start a thread on a specific aspect...like Davey's Mom being a bitch and what's really going on with her...please feel free to do so!

OK, you've got me hooked on to the next chapter

But Davey has a girlfrind? I remember him saying somewhere in the original Do Over that he would never have one again...

How often has any of us ever said we weren't doing something again...and then gone and done it?

Oh, and Tammy Crutchley is NOT a woman that is easy to say no to at the best of times...

I've been reading DOR forum posts and DK blog comments for awhile now and one thing has me puzzled. I hope somebody will shed some light for me here...

We are 16 chapters into DOR and the chants are growing:
Where's Brian and when is he going to be in the story?

What is the fascination with Brian? The story was never about him – its about Davey going back in time and interacting with people differently than he did previously.

Now I'm not saying any of this to be mean or critical of any particular person, it just caught me by surprise when I first started reading the posts and I"ve always wondered why. I knew that the only way I could hope to get an answer was to come out and ask. After all, that's what these forums are for right?

The conspiracy theorists out there need to not jump off the deep end here. Yes, I'm the editor for DOR but NO, Dan didn't put me up to this post 'to stir the pot' so to speak.

Sometimes I'm just thick-headed and just don't get it - please enlighten me...

Emoe speaks with his own voice...but I reserve the right to edit his posts for spoilers.

I think the fasination with Brian is because we all want to see the man behind the man ( Yes I did Change that quote), he has helped Dave become what he is. We also want to see if Dave and Brian get back together, and also see his reaction to Dave' s Second Do Over, how would he feel that Dave left his Brian in order to do his duty.

Julian Alexander

I think it comes from the way Do Over went and where we hear about how much Brian and Davey were together, but never really got to see a lot of it...

For my faithful readers...I had to draw a map of the base in Eureka so I could keep my bearings while moving Davey around it in Chapters 17, 18, and so on. So, I put some labels on there and emoe turned it into a gif so...here ya go.

http://dkstories.gayauthors.org/do-over2/map.php

My reason is one of the reasons why I love Dan and Dom's stories... I'm a romantic. Stories of people too stupid to realize what they have, and then seeing how they get that realization... or in the case of Davey, someone who has a love so strong, it can overcome even a mad scientist (I hope!).

Davey and Brian's devotion to each other - through drunken kisses with a girl, through being outed and vilified, through deat... I mean through nuclear missiles, and now hopefully, through having to start it all over again...


PS - and yes, it's also about the eyebrows And hearing Brian emphasize to someone "He's MINE"

Dan, loved the map. That must have taken ages to draw. Very very good job (and that's something you won't hear much from me!).

I have the same question. Why does Dan seems so determined to get those 2 together? I have no idea. I can understand it from Davey's POV though. What's the most evil things that Dan could do? No, not killing Davey (been there, done that sort of thing). The most evil thing that Dan can do, IMO, is to get Brian to reject Davey in this issue of DOR. Just imagine the howls when that happens. I'm sure if it happens, the howls will dwarf out all the regular howls that emanate from the Domophiles after a Dom story.

Me? Give out spoilers? Quick, hurry and read this before Dan wakes up and sees it!It's too much fun reading what everybody has to say about the different storylines to give away juicy tidbitsYet another advantage to being on the opposite coast as Dan!

Besides, I had to get DOR back on the front page

I'm a hopeless Romantic too and can't wait for Davey and Brian to reunite. While Davey gets to play superhero -- saving the world, fighting evil--he doesn't get to come home to his loving Brian (yet). I remember in the early chapters of DOR feeling terrible while Davey had to cry himself to sleep missing Brian or when he saw Brian at the Hospital wanting to visit uncle Bill.

Knowing that the two of them had an awesome time together in DO, I can't help but be anxious with what will happen to them in this lifetime. Will they get back together? Will their love be as strong as it was before? Only Dan and Emoe know at this point

No NO NOO, see this is what happens, the girl Brian's been dating gets knocked up. Then Davey comes to get his boy. Then girl gives Baby to Brian and Davey to raise togeather.

See these DO are needed to get it the way it should be.

Hmm, the idea of the son would be nice, but Brian is not like that... He is devoted to only the one person he loves... that was his trouble the first time. Then, Davey gave him someone worthy of loving with the do over... So, yeah, they are kinda like star-crossed lovers in my book.... Very romatic!! So, I hold out the hope for Brian and Davey!

Love and Peace,
Solace

Let's just make that DAN knows at this point because he writes the chapters, I just edit'm.

Emoe has gotten hints, suggestions, and descriptions of what I'm thinking of doing, but he's not gotten the the full view yet.

It keeps changing every time I get Davey and Brian in a room together. The patterns swirl and both characters keep on interacting in ways that I can't control.


*sigh*

I wouldn't put it past Dan to have Davey and Brian not get together this time, after all he has shown just how different things can be with the slightest changes in time, however I don't think even Dan is capable of stopping them getting together.
Redux has focused a lot more on laying down the basic everyday life of Davey, not just the bigger events, though this time around his everyday life is considerably more sedate, most likely due to his experience in the past and trying to handle things different this time. For everyone that has been waiting for the "action" to pick up, (myself included) I have no doubt that Dan has bigger things planned this time, yes the slow start to Redux was frustrating but if Dan hadn't done it the differences between timelines would have been less apparent. I can already see some of the events on the horizon, after all Dan has left clues, of course he could be leaving false ones but I expect Bush senior to be a big player in it all, also watch what happens with Tammy, somehow I don't think she'll be to happy when she finds out davey's gay.

Anyways I'll stop trying to start rumours as always Dan I'm awaiting the next chapter hopefully it will be out before Friday

Talon

Oh. So you're the one who let the confusion between Jane and Justine slip through?
Oh! The shame of it all!!
PWS

Dear Dan Kirk,

Ooh migawd! I'm GLAD you didn't kill Davey's dad. His dad has changed. NO longer the pedophilic and bigotic monster he once was. I was so SURPRISED in chapter 15. How was the funeral? I thought his dad is dead! Damn! You like to scare people don't you? Ugghhh.. I'm just glad you didn't kill him.

Davey's mom turned out to be a b****. Blaming her twelve year-old son for the incident? Granted Davey's not a usual 12 year-old. Still, Ishe should'v acted better than that. It's not like Davey dragged his dad over there. Funny to think how everything is turned around. The relatives who were bad became good, while the ones who were good became less tolerable. That word-fight in the bedroom. Hehehehe, I like how Davey's argument drove the point to his mom. How did you thought up such argument anyway? Every point is almost unassailable. Besides, everybody accept Davey as he was. Why would she not? Always bitching and moaning about uinmportant stuffs. Dragging God into the matter too. If I were Davey I'd stormed out and not talking to her agian if she didn't have anything better to say.

In both Do Over you describe Ronald Reagan as fatherly and understanding. Was he that kind of man? He seemed doted to Davey and almost always stand to him against his advisers. Bush gonna go huh? Good. I'm guessing he's as crazy as his son. The Gulf War was sanctioned though. He's better at diplomacy. The invasion of Iraq wasn't. Hell, I was only a kid back then and I support that Gulf War.

Margaret Thatcher. The Iron Lady. She's tough wasn't she. I thought it was careless for the Argentinians to invade Malvinas. Sparking the Malvinas War. Their navy and air force were outgunned. Though through sheer force of will they sank several important British ships. What was Leopoldo Galtieri think? Declaring war against a Great Power. He didn't even have a navy worth mentioning. Hehehehe, I didn't know you follow the scandals? I was surprised you even mention it here. Why? I'm a fan of Lady Di. I think Charles is a moron to marry Camilla The Homewrecker. I hope you'll give updates on this monarchy brouhaha, so once in while we can smile over them

1984. Why did you jump 1983? I like reading about the war with Argentina. WWII carrier? Wow, they really were desperate huh? Hmm, Davey's day-to-day activities. One full year was jumped. Now we see Eureka booming. I saw Eureka's website too *grin* looks like a sleepy beside-the-road town. The map you attached really gave a learer picture of where Davey lives. It looks like he's the only one who lives near the base. Why the attraction with the troops Getting interested are we? lol! Why not having one of the troops flirt with Davey. BTW I had hoped there would be Brian here. Guess not. Care to tell me when Brian will be featured? He'd fall to the slut's clutches if Davey waits too long.

Okay. What's going on here. Uncle Billy showed up and fix Davey's phone. Was there a big mess at the top? They didn't realize Billy's a family. What is a BDU? What is rank E-9? What is BEQ? Sorry. I really don't know much about military terms. Communist in Argentina. Interesting. When will you drag Fidel Castro in? I kinda respect that man. He's not corrupt. Unlike other dictators. Or perhaps that's the impression I got. China should be opening up right now. Modernizing and enriching itself. Deng Xiaoping is the helmsman right?

Only David is gay huh? He's still expecting Davey. Holding torch as you aptly put it. Will he make moves on Davey. Trying his luck. Ooh migawd, Davey's an eye candy *smiles* he liked torturing the girls and the closeted boys didn't he? lol! Cruel. AIDS policy is still going? I thought I had been stopped after not meeting up the expectations. Jerry Falwell, I know him, he's the Protestant Fundamentalist right? Who always bring Bible and wearing a thousand-dollar suit. Hypocrite.

O-oh. What's happening? The alarm went off? Surely you're not making this the start of WWIII? Please don't. Make this a big foul-up or whatever. I'm enjoying Davey's life here. Pleassseee k?

Okaaay. That's all for now. I'll be waiting your next chapter. cheers !

With kind regards from

Rad

DOR 19
The Shining Path guerillas were Maoists.

They crossed the Andes into Argentina to successfully overturn the military junta there. That made their march across the spine of South America even more outstanding than the Long March of Mao himself. And as they pulled their own artillery field pieces with them, it rated about as highly as Ho Chi Minh's manoeuvres to finally defeat the French occupiers of that long mistreated country.

Since Mao was not an idealogue like Lenin and Trotsky in the Soviet Union, but much more pragmatic, a similarly pragmatic form of communism developed in Argentina. Many countries in the world came to think this was a good thing.

The communists in Argentina managed to get themselves properly organised. It was their stated intention to stop the North Americans propping up other military dictatorships in the region, like that Panamanian military dictatorship originally set up under Noriega by the CIA, when it was headed by the former Vice-President George Bush, before he entered politics.

They were implacably opposed to the cocaine trade in Colombia, and wanted to ensure none of that nonsense happened in Argentina. They remembered the Opium Wars in China, where the British used gun ships to force the Chinese to allow British trading vessels to import Indian opium into China, and export chests of silver in exchange. The communists in Argentina had no intention of allowing any nation to force themselves into their own internal sovereign affairs, and were especially wary of the "North American Empire".

An increasing number of free countries around the globe were beginning to hold similar ideas.

This caused President Reagan considerable concern. But what caused the President even more concern was Davey.

Davey's reaction to the deaths of his grandparents and other relatives, plus the deaths of his former timeline adoptive parents, Mr and Mrs Rush, at the hands of Chinese agents, had hardened his hatred of the Chinese into an obsession. Plus Davey had been heard to whisper he would nuke Beijing, if he could get his hands on a nuclear missile. This had been quite properly reported to the President. And the President was really worried.

President Reagan, who knew their history in Davey's last timeline, was thinking the only way to keep Davey from going right off the rails, was to ensure Brian gave Davey the security and stability afforded by their complete unhindered love for each other.

The question was how.

As I see it, Davey has a big problem with Brian for several reasons:

1. Brian is extremely loyal to his "partner," he stuck by Davey through thick and thin in DO and stayed with the bitch he didn't really like (cause he was gay) in his first life. He will have probably found someone in DOR by the time Davey and him get together, and how can Dan let Brian change that much.

2. In DOR it isn't ok to be gay, Brian probably won't give up what he has even if he fell in love with Davey at the quarantine center, just thinking of how they treated his uncle and the mood of the country.

* Putting on my Nomex and Kevlar underwear (asbestos causes cancer) *
3. If he tells Brian the whole story Brian won't want him since Davey DOES NOT DESERVE BRIAN because he left him, after a bunch of years together, to perform a service to his country. While the Brian of DO might accept that type of behavior after falling in love with Davey, I don't think the Brian of DOR would accept 2nd place in Davey's heart PRIOR to falling in love with Davey -- yet another cost of screwing with the past.


Of course the only reason I can stomach all the crap that Dan puts the characters through is because he has never failed to give me a happy ending

Snow Dog

I had a real nice reply written up this morning but it appears the board hiccup'd again and lost it...

RAD: Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts. Sorry about the acronyms that got thru. I thought those were more common and known. Trust me when I say that I’ve spelled out many of the acronyms Dan put in. He forgets not everybody went thru the military like he and I did.

BOQ/BEQ=bachelor officer/enlisted quarters
BDU=Battle Dress Uniform AKA camouflage

When you see E-#, W-# or O-#, these represent pay grades in the US military (E=enlisted, W=warrant officer, O=officer). Because different branches have differing names for the same pay grade, it can be easier to use the pay grade notation in some instances. You can get the full pay grade/rank breakdown by service here:
http://www.ecsu.ctstateu.edu/personal/facu...ocock/ranks.htm

I'll leave it to Dan to comment on the rest of your post. Be sure to check Dan's blog as he may decide against commenting here.

Dan,

18 was exceptional! It had me so engrossed... and excited to hear Brian and Davey will at least be at the same place! Now, my hopes are high for a future of them together, so I guess I will just have to wait on pins and neadles to see what happens next.... LORD, will this wait be torture!!!!!

Thanks so much for all your talent, time and effort in providing us with such a fantastic story!

Love and Peace,
Solace

Read it and without spoiling my reviews (yeah right, as if anyone reads that ), I'll say it's good. Quite a bit of surprise though to get a DOR chapter today... but it was worth it. Does that mean we're getting Service on Friday then?

Can you just imagine the explanation?

Brian's family: Why do we have to move to Nevada?
President Reagan: Because Brian is going to be Davey's husband

OO OO OO DAN! I like this one. Think you could rework the dialog to make that the reason?

Well, I got a little pissed off at various things today and wrote DOR anyways. Currently I have four 1-megaton ICBM warheads falling on Eureka, killing everyone. So, why bother rewriting?





Let me calm down a bit and things will end up being deleted.

Wrong Story Dan. That's Mists of Fate. It's Do Over Redux day today!!
PWS

Wonderfull great if it was a movie worth every cent.

Now when do we get to see 19.

Wow, I wasn't expecting that!

Pity about the time-travel scientist. He doesn't have much luck does he?

I am liking the whole 'move-Davey's-friends-from-Modesto-to-Eureka' plot twist. Now all my favourite characters get to be together! I'm sensing troubled waters ahead for Brian and Davey's relationship however. Davey is just a little too certain.

Chapter 19 should be posted in about five hours when Myr wakes up.

I'm going to remind people, please read the chapter before taking a look at my blog entry. Myr usually goes in and makes my blog visible after he posts the chapter, so DO NOT go read it before you read the chapter. There is MAJOR spoilage there, and you will hate yourself for reading it before you read the chapter.

I'd love to hear lots of feedback from people (either in blog comments or on the forum) after this chapter. For some reason as I edited it tonight, I realized I really liked this chapter.




Edit: I alway write the blog entry the night before posting, after doing the final edit and getting the chapter into html for Myr. I almost forgot to get the chapter ready for posting because I was going over some other stuff...but I remembered in time.

Oh, thank goodness. Praise the Lord!

Dear Dan Kirk,

NOOOOO...you killed Nanny! I like that character. Gone too the cousins and uncle and aunt.... I hope they're the only ones that was tortured and killed as you put it. Siggghhh...inevitable I know. I've been thinking how long is it gonna be until you begin the rampage. Only Davey's mom and sister killed last time. (Sniff, sniff) What will happen to Davey's relationship with his mom? If she blamed him fiercely over his dad's near-death experience, whatever will she do with her own mom's demise. As in tortured then killed. Chapter 19 will be very exciting.

Hufff..... I must tell you, my heart was beating fast when I read this chapter. Davey's journey into the base. Into the Command Center and meeting the brass. His learning that the scientist was abducted, his friends held hostage, his family was in danger. It was surreal. My excitement grew by the lines. Davey was heartsick because Brian was in danger. Thenn..the BAD news. The murder torture and murder of his family. For the life of me, why didn't they just storm the house? Woooowww... it was surreal.... man.

What will happen now? It WAS a price worth paying. Brian coming back to him. I thought you'd do it a little less bloody. Then again if you did, it wouldn't be you. Slightly better news. It was the best news. Brandon, Brian and Trevor safe. I really2x wonder what will Davey say to them. "Er...I'm a time traveller and Brian's husband.." naaah. I'm gonna wait their conversation. Are you gonna do it romantically? *grinning* Or will Davey play dumb and witheld his knowledge from Brian? Playing it safe, letting it go naturally.

I thought Mr. Mulkey was kinder. Why his attitude? Poor David. So much for the torch. Brian's coming. Hehehehehe, will you play jealousy there. David hating Brian and so on. This really was a thrilling chapter. I really2x like it. Thrill, suspense, bad news, all here. With Brian and the old gang coming things will be much more interesting. I'll be waiting for your reply and the next chapter Dan.

With kind regards from

Rad

Wow, read 19. Review will be out soon? Or maybe not...

Oh boy.

Well, that at least doubled or tripled the threads to be juggled in the weave.

This is going to stretch the memory. A lot.

Dan, I think there must be a word for people like you. Except I've never heard it, because I suspect you are totally unique, and no-one has ever come up with the right word. Yet.

But I am quite sure the best word to describe you, once it has been philologised, would never be used in polite society.

Oh boy.

*stunned*

I've been wondering about how all of this will play out. How has this forced quarantine of "high risk gays" that's been going on for a couple of years now going to affect not just Brian and Brandon, but society as a whole? Dan has touched on it somewhat, but I have a feeling we are soon going to become more intimately familiar with the problems that the policy has caused. People aren't just going to stay in the closet, they are going to padlock themselves in.

Brian will be in a state of upset when he gets to the base. Hmmm... teenager...volatile emotions...raging hormones...24/7 curfew... should be interesting.

Brian is definitely going to be an extremely angry total closet case. If you notice, Davey didn't seem all to broken up by Brian's (TL2b) death. Since he thought Brian was outside the bubble, he figured he was gone anyway.

As to why everything is so different, I suspect it has more to do with Davey's decision to significantly interfere with the timeline as soon as he arrived. Of course he did it out of necessity because of the Chineese time traveler, but he set in course a series of events that significantly altered some of the common themes of TL1 and TL2, and the story would not be as much fun if he hadn't.

Dear Dan Kirk,

Wooohooo!! I'd never expect Sean to be from the future! Wow! Maaan, you're so full of surprises. You said Brandon and Brian were killed. Too bad. But, they're gonna 'gone' too when the buble, as you said it collapse along with the rest of the future world. At least now Davey has the chance to really start from the beginning. Poor Sean, Brandon taunted him. I remember that the trio (Brian, Brandon, Trevor) was only open-minded because Davey made them so. Their families too. What will they say....

Speaking of which, I'm really2x curious on what Davey will say in chapter 20. All but the Breckenridges have never met him, and the last time he saw the Breckenridges were in 1981. I really wanna see how they will react to the news. Curious, wether or not Davey will tell Brian about their relationship. Sean too. What will Brandon say seeing Sean there? Or, what will the government say having two time-travellers? Hmhmhmhmhm, China has two too. I expect something to happen between the US and Chinese governments. You know the showdown between Reagan (and Davey) with Alexei and Shevardnadze (God, I should be given spelling trophy for this)? Will that happen in this timeline? Hmmmm...between Deng Xiaoping and Reagan.

Rear Admiral Lower Half seemed a mouthful of words. Why did they change it from Commodore? Far easier to remember (and write and speak). Commodore Perry. Rear Admiral Lower Half Perry? Hell, I don't think it's wrong to relish the death of an enemy. If Mullah Omar and OBL were dead I'd be relishing it. Ugghh. Things got ugly I see. Hehehe, you like giving the characters a change of parts huh? First it was Davey's mom and Jenny against his dad. Now all is reversed. I wonder....who else will get a chance of parts? NOT Brian of course.

What is the grassy knoll theory? Something's gotta do with JFK assassination? So, Brian, Trevor and Brandon are coming. Exciting. I wanna see how Davey will manage to rebuild the friendship, how he'll manage with his friends in Eureka too. BTW I've looked on the Eureka website. You said looking at the VFD is like reading the yearbook. It looke slike most of your friends decide to stay. Ever think of going back there and meet them? Also, why didn't the Navy give Davey his rank and all his ribbons back? The thing I like most about a military uniform is the rows of ribbons and the medals. Hehehehe I imagine Davey, in full uniform, making the introduction to Brian and others, "I'm Admiral Davey Jones of US Navy" *giggling* imagine the shock!

I'd never thought Davey's mom would disown him. she didn't even know he's gay! What next? Betraying him to the enemy? As for the scandal about junior doctors, can that thing happen? In real life? Selling med equipment, seemed like what junior doctors in a public hospital might do. Not from USAF doctors.

Hey Dan, if you want to know about China when her civilization towers above all, I suggest you read "Manchu" by Robert Elegant. It is set in the reign of the last Ming Emperor (17th cent.) amid the passion and savagery of a dying Dynasty. Impressive. China was like US today. She had all and desired nothing. She looked down on the rest of the world (called the westerners 'Ocean Barbarian'). Throughout the story comparisons are always made between China and the west. The story has it all. Bloodshed, intrigue, sex and betrayal. Not to mention adventure and espionage.

Oh well, that's for now Dan. I'll write again later. Thanks and I'll be waiting for chapter 20 k?

With kind regards,

Rad

I agree. Killed or not Brian would be gone when the bubble collapsed. After seeing handsome, sexy stud like Davey I wonder how long will Brian remain a closet case? Davey'll make advances I'm sure. what about David? Will he put out any resistance?

Cheers!

Rad

:sigh: I should have known better than to have had a frenzied marathon reading session of the entire Do Over Redux... (up to chapter 19)

I feel so touched and sad for Davey. No matter how much he tries to delude himself, he and Brian can never have the same life they had before. He's already a multi-millionaire and Brian will not feel like an equal partner and no matter the cover story, the Modesto kids have been uprooted from their home because of Davey, and will resent him somewhat for that.

Also it'll be obvious from the get-go that he's no ordinary teen, and they won't have the friendship with him built up as they had in Time Line 2 before finding out his time-traveling secret.

Even if he and Brian did get together, Brian would realize that Davey's always going to see him as the Brian in that other life that hasn't happened for Brian and it would be strained because Davey has all this intimacy already for Brian and Brian had only recently become acquainted with Davey. Maybe Davey will eventually come to his senses on this (I know, fat chance of that) and turn to one of his Eureka friends, David perhaps? Who knows?

There were some typograpical errors that distracted a little from the story, but mostly I'm just going insane with waiting to see what happens next. I just turned 39 this past week and I guess I'm not as patient as I used to be when I was younger.

By the way, Dan, "used to" is more correct than "use to" when meaning "accustomed to." Sure, when it's spoken the d is not pronounced, but it's still spelled "used to." Okay, that's enough of the grammar lesson. (damned Catholic education)

Well, I looked it up and it's more complex than that. When coupled with "do" it really IS "use to." :sigh: Here's the URL for a better explanation: http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/065.html Isn't the English language fun?! (and eating crow is tasty)

Anyway, write! I want to find out what happens next!

I managed to write one paragraph of Chapter 25 today. Blame it on this happy giddy feeling I've been getting off and on. I'm just way too cheerful to be writing serious stories...

Dan, don't let cute guys that you meet at movies distract you from your main responsibility ... writing stories for us.

I wouldn't want something to happen to your new friend

I'm guessing this was written with lots of sarcasm intended. It would be a real shame should Dan say, "the Hell with this!" and stop posting. We all have a life. Dan gets to live his too...

Most every word I put into the world is sarcastic, and I don't think it could be any more obvious, maybe we need a :sarcasm: smily.

Can't wait for 20-24 to turnup on the web. BTW, the chapter menus on the bottom of the chapters has stopped appearing.

That is Myr's fault...he puts those in there...

These stories are addictive; I've spent two days doing little else than reading them. Thank goodness for vacation time. I found DO on Nifty and followed the links back to GA for the whole thing, glad that the story was finished only to start reading DOR and find that it's not. I don't know how I will make it between Fridays. There is so much to love about the stories that I don't know where to begin talking about them.

There are a few small things that I don't understand as well like why the Nobel Prize ceremony was held in Geneva, Switzerland. If the Doctor got the Peace Prize, that ceremony would be in Oslo, Norway. If it were the Biology, Chemistry, or any other Nobel Prize, that would be in Stockholm, Sweden. That's just the sort of nit picking I'm good at. I suppose I'm not unlike Davey's late Grandma. When Dan wins the Nobel Prize for Literature, I'm sure the place of the ceremonies will be straightened out.

Anyway, about the story where it stands now:

I'm so anxious to have Trevor, Brian, Brandon, and Sean return to the action. Brian and Davey's love shows the utopian (heterotopian?) impulse that pervades the story stripped to its purest form. Though in DOR so far it's been a tragic element, the love is still there on Davey's part and I'd hate to see that theme of faithfulness and devotion dissipate--these guys show true love in a way that makes Romeo and Juliette seem silly. But it's not just about Brian's return. I really miss Trevor and his family (mostly because I speak Russian and lived in Ukraine and Poland, so they appeal to my prejudices). Sean introduces a wildcard aspect of a second time traveler who can reproduce the time travel device and actually knows Davey from the last time (and perhaps the time before that is buried in there somewhere too). Most of all though, these are guys in whom we have invested so much time and character development at this point that it seems a waste not to use them more. In DO, after Brian and Davey go to private school, the other guys melt away and I missed them then as I do now. As much as one may like the Nevada friends in DOR, we simply haven't gotten to know them as well and I am certainly not as emotionally invested in them.

The Communist takeover of Argentina really intrigues me now and I'd be interested to see how that progresses, especially since we've already seen Reagan invoke the Monroe Doctrine once. Considering what Nixon did to Allende (a moderate Socialist), it seems strange the US would leave alone or let come into existance a Communist administration in it's backyard. Of course, within the narrative, the obvious path to take Argentina was for them to immediately and unwaveringly align with China. However, as a radical liberal (in American sense of "liberal"), I am curious about the consistent portrayal of Communism as "bad". I realize this is the 1980s and that is how most Americans at the time thought, but Communism was never the problem; Totalitarianism was the problem. Just as you can have a capitalist dictatorship or a capitalist republic, you could conceivable have a communist democratic republic. That it has never been tried does not say it could not. Too often we confuse economic systems with government systems. Anyway, in DO we saw many Capitalist countries align with the Soviet Union. It would be an interesting twist to portray a "good" communist country with a representative government emerge and support the US. That was, after all, the dream of Ho Chi Minh before being dissillusioned with the Americans by their military cooperation with colonialists. Perhaps if not Argentina, Venezuala. They have both oil and Communist and Socialist movements.

Indeed, I was surprised that Aleksei, our New Russian, would try to keep the Soviet Union Communist economically. His real interest, looking at the situation in retrospect, was to maintain totalitarian system and imperial domain that priviledged his family, not the economic form. I would have thought Aleksei's CCCP would look more like modern China--economically very Capitalistic while the party oligarchy still holds the reins and does not let go of its imperial possessions (like Tibet for China or Kazakhstan for Russia).

As I have said, there is so much I coiuld write on from these stories, but I will not drone endlessly. I am looking forward to the next chapters. I hate waiting, but this is worth waiting for.

Hey Dan,

I'm a bit confused here. You said the Soviets couldn't build a time machine because Alexei didn't know enough about the inner workings of the machine. But in the first Do Over it was Alexei who guided the Soviets to build a time machine. How is it possible? Besides, why wouldn't the computer equipment exist for another decade? Davey sure knows a lot. I bet he can tell what is needed and how to research it. The dangers of building another time machine? What about the dangers of NOT building another machine? What do you mean by it gets worse each time? What happen is an unfortunate event, sure, but I don't see why it is linked with the machine. Are you telling me that everytime a power loses a war with USA, it will send back another man into time to rectify things? Jeeeez...Davey will be stuck in the 1981-2004 timeline forever. What a twilight zone....

One more thing. If the Soviets and the Chinese succeed in building another machine, and the US too, whatever will be done with the machine? Send someone back? Again? Oh gawd, the harvest is ruined, we should've start planting in May, let's send someone back. How on earth can you prevent that? It's not like they will advertise. Besides, if the detente is reached, USSR and China will also have suspicions on US. What if US send someone back? Like that. Well, this one is outside the topic but I always wanna know. USSR is CCCP in Russian. You know Russian right? What does that stand for in Russian [in latin alphabet please]?

Anyway, back to the story. Sooo. You killed Chris and aunt Fran. Now whatever is gonna happen to his molester, is he going to walk free? I hope you'll get back on this later Dan. I really wanna see that molester end up in jail. Who is this Tracy? What do you mean she turned her own kid for a reward? Sounds heartless.... I do think that Davey will likely be betrayed by his family. Perhaps his mom? In revenge, after all she no longer consider Davey her son. Though I don't cherish the desruction of Davey's relationship with his mom and sister, I have to tell you I like it that he patches things up with his dad. His dad is fast becoming his confidante and the shoulder to cry on. Okay. Davey said he'll be home for the holidays after he's eighteen. Will he ever make it to.....oh well, Naval Academy? With all that has happened, will they feel safe with him outside a well-guarded military compound? BTW I like your description in the first time line when Davey and Brian went to college [or was it Naval Academy?] too bad it's too short. The war came too fast.

Dr. Breshears blew a smoke ring at the general? But he's only a Colonel! Don't they court-martialed such offense from an officer to another officer above his rank? Besides, I have NEVER seen any doctor who smokes when he's around a patient! How come Dr. Breshears smokes? It's dangerous for the patients. Wow. I never knew that Brian, Brandon and Trevor were bullying jocks in the first time line. I vaguely remember Brandon and Davey being friends again after Davey's return from Eureka, around the time when they talk about Brian's wedding. Hey Dan, you ever watch Red Dawn ? The invasion of US by USSR. You think it's plausible?

I did expect difficulties from Brian and Davey's second meeting. I never expected hostile reactions from Brian. Ashamed ? He's ashamed that they've met before? Right now I'm thinking wether or not Brian is turning into asshole like Davey's mom. Blaming him for all that goes wromg in this timeline. As if it wasn't enough that Davey lost twelve family members. Brian blames Davey for the death of his uncle. Jeeeeezz.....! I hope he's not going to be like Davey's mom. Hufffff..Davey has a loooong way to go with Brian. I dunno, perhaps he could reach out to him through Brandon and Trevor. Or give Brian sometime, Eureka guys are with him after all. All in all, I realy wanna see how Davey will try to rebuild his friendship with Trevor and Brandon also his relationship with Brian. Also how he will balance things between the Brian and the modesto guys with Derek and the Eureka guys.

Well, that's all for now. I'll be waiting for chapter 21.

Cheers!

Take that back. Take that back NOW
If there is a hero in the story, it isn't Davey, it's Brian. Brian is the alchemist's stone that turned the piece of shit Davey into the awsome guy he is now. Why the hell shouldn't the Brian of this timeline blame Davey, and long before he found out about time travel. After his dad was shot, on the same day he made sure that Biran got to see his uncle, and the obvious resulting news coverage, it wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to realize that Davey has "a lot" to do with this quarantine stuff. Then to find out that Davey WAS the reason for the quaranine and did nothing to help his uncle, I've been pissed at Davey about that.

Yes Brian was embarrased, you would be too if the guy you have very intamate fantasies about was standing in front of you, telling you he was 60 years old and knew you from a previous time. Gawd, that would be like pulling your pud with thoughts of you grandfather.

Brian IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE like Davey's mom. She is concerned with her own self interest, not the welfare of anyone else. She is not a bad person, she is just self-centered. Brian isn't a 60 year old trapped in a 15 year old's body, he is a 15 year old who has been severely damaged by life and the loss of his only role model. In TL1 it led him to get that bitch pregnant, and, I'm sure, love his kid. In TL2, Davey not only made it okay to be gay, but made it right .. Davey filled a hole inside Brian that was left there by the loss of his uncle. Here, Davey didn't fill the hole, he helped create it. Brian is a 15 year old in extreme emotional pain. He is alone and scared to be gay (look what happens to people who are).

If you bag on Brian any more, I might get mad, he has done NOTHING wrong.

The only thing I am hoping to see is that in this timeline, Brian got the bitch (or some other bitch) pregnant so that now Davey and Brian get to raise a kid. Oh, and before Dan is done, just how may times is Davey going to take Brian's cherry ?

But Snow Dog, you have got to remember, Dan is evil!