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AFriendlyFace
Hi all!

Chapter 10: Breaking Up With My Boyfriend is now available! This is the final chapter of BMAD! Click here to check it out! Please let me know what you thought of the story and of the specific chapter!

Chapter 9: I Can't Even Think Straight is now available! Click here to check it out. Please let me know what you think!

Chapter 8: Turning Japanese is now available. Click here to read it.

Chapter 7: The Greatest Story Ever Told is also now available (in this thread I'm afraid). In honor of this chapter I also just started a new poll for this thread. Let me know what you guys think!

Chapter 6: The Truth Hurts is now available

Chapter 5:The Name Game is now available here!

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Chapter 5: The Name Game is now available here!

I hope you enjoy it biggrin.gif

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Hi everyone!

Chapter 4: The Eyes Have It is now available here.

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Hey everyone!

Chapter three
is up!

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I hope you guys like it! Please let me know what you thought smile.gif

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Hey guys! Chapter two is now available!

Please click here to check it out!

Then please let me know what you thought via forum post, review, or PM! (or any combination thereof if you're feeling particularly chatty! biggrin.gif)

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Hi everyone!

I've just begun releasing my new story, Buy Me A Drink.

Please check out the first chapter, Hot Mess, and let me know what you thought!

This story is complete and a new chapter will be released at least once per week until all chapters are posted. However, there may or may not be a sequel and much will depend on the feedback and interest the story receives!

Even if you hated it, or found it very boring please let me know your thoughts and comments!

Thanks and take care,
Kevin
sat8997
Kevin, I am so happy to see this posted. biggrin.gif

You guys are in for a treat with this one. thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

Dravenn
There's not going to be much constructive criticism from me I'm afraid, only lots of praise and a fair amount of envy of your writing talent.

Right from the beginning I was hooked on the narrator's voice and his conversational style. Extremely well written, you even managed to weave the dreaded backstory in without disrupting the pace or tone.

There are a fair few characters to introduce early on, but you do that in a lively, amusing way giving each character a distinct style. Already I find myself taking a liking to Daisy, I love bitchy queens and their classic one liners.

I like the way Aaron is surprised to find himself being taken in by Ben even though he knows he's a slut, and I just know something is going to happen between there. Although I do wonder what it is with Mick and the fact he doesn't date, I'm sure there's more of a story there too.

My only negative comment is that I hated having to stop reading, especially as I had zoned out to what was going on around me and became totally immersed in the story. That's a good sign by the way. It doesn't happen often with stuff I read online, although I find it occurs more and more with the quality of stories on this particular site. I should hate you all as I sit and fester in my jealousy wink.gif

Anyway, I hope you're not going to make me wait a week before you post another chapter. Too cruel. And there must be a sequel, if the rest of the story is as good as the first chapter, which I suspect it might be, I'm sure you'll be left with no option but to write one.

GaryK
Hey Kevvers. I can't add anything meaningful that Dravenn hasn't already stated. I absolutely love your style of writing. As always Sharon has done a superb job of editing. smile.gif
Dion
I'm hooked. A week is going to be way too long to wait.

Excellent start, Kevin! thumbsupsmileyanim.gif
Tiff
My God man, why haven't you written anything before? Or have you? You're really good!

I love the narration and the sarcastic thoughts that go through his mind. He's quite a character--confident, fun, and quirky.

The whole concept of 'Buy me a Drink aka Bmad' as he searches for someone to bring home while getting free drinks in the process was interesting. I don't know where you're going with this yet, or what develops, but I look forward to finding out.

Oh and I really like his straight best friend. THe whole fake boyfriend thing and then cheese fries as their routine...very cute. I always appreciate it when the characters are good friends.

Yay for being completed. I'd like to wait until the story is completed before reading, but I'm horribly impatient, so I doubt that will go over well.
old bob
QUOTE (Tiff @ May 23 2008, 07:07 PM) *
My God man, why haven't you written anything before? Or have you? You're really good!
I love the narration and the sarcastic thoughts that go through his mind.

I love also both; it's really the first time I found in GA a story with such an humor, with a character laughing of himself.
Kevin, Thanks a lot for the pleasure I had to read this first chapter worshippy.gif
I was laughing from the beginning to the end laugh.gif .
Comparing to your posts, comments and blogs, Aaron is speaking like you, thinking like you, feeling like you. And I prove it : "I’m sure you’re all wondering what a nice boy like me....". A nice boy... everybody knows that this description corresponds to you tongue.gif.
I just want to pick for my pleasure some pearls from your text :
QUOTE
....a natural, unofficial observer of the human species. I suppose that’s why he had to become a bartender in the first place actually. I mean it was probably either that or hair-dresser, and like I said, he’s not really gay....
or :
.....I just said I’d do it to shut him up. Worked pretty well too...not just the him shutting up part either, I man the whole plan...
and :
.....glaringly white and impossibly straight – and believe me that’s the only part of him that is – teeth....
at last :
...Bmad is also woefully incompetent when it comes to keeping track of shirts...or underwear...

Now I'm smiling, thinking of the next chapters, and enjoying in advance.
Thanks again,
Old Bob

AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 23 2008, 06:25 AM) *
Kevin, I am so happy to see this posted. biggrin.gif

You guys are in for a treat with this one. thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

Thanks Sharon! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Dravenn @ May 23 2008, 07:45 AM) *
There's not going to be much constructive criticism from me I'm afraid, only lots of praise and a fair amount of envy of your writing talent.

Right from the beginning I was hooked on the narrator's voice and his conversational style. Extremely well written, you even managed to weave the dreaded backstory in without disrupting the pace or tone.

There are a fair few characters to introduce early on, but you do that in a lively, amusing way giving each character a distinct style. Already I find myself taking a liking to Daisy, I love bitchy queens and their classic one liners.

I like the way Aaron is surprised to find himself being taken in by Ben even though he knows he's a slut, and I just know something is going to happen between there. Although I do wonder what it is with Mick and the fact he doesn't date, I'm sure there's more of a story there too.

My only negative comment is that I hated having to stop reading, especially as I had zoned out to what was going on around me and became totally immersed in the story. That's a good sign by the way. It doesn't happen often with stuff I read online, although I find it occurs more and more with the quality of stories on this particular site. I should hate you all as I sit and fester in my jealousy wink.gif

Anyway, I hope you're not going to make me wait a week before you post another chapter. Too cruel. And there must be a sequel, if the rest of the story is as good as the first chapter, which I suspect it might be, I'm sure you'll be left with no option but to write one.

Wow, thanks Dravenn!! I really appreciate that! I was going for a very conversational style with Aaron's voice. The way I see it some of the most interesting, amusing, and often insightful things are thought but never actually vocalized. I also wanted to explore the disconnect which often exists between people's thoughts and people's words and actions. I suspect most of us have been in the position of having the little person inside our heads shocked at what was actually coming out of mouths.

Personally speaking when it comes to writing I can't stand to spend a great deal of time all in one chunk, and especially not at the beginning, giving a ton of backstory and exposition. In this case I'm pretty 'lucky', because apart from what Aaron has 'observed' about the others he really only even has backstory on himself, Mick, and Jake. For everyone else it'll have to come out more gradually as he gets to know them anyway smile.gif

QUOTE (GaryInMiami @ May 23 2008, 10:50 AM) *
Hey Kevvers. I can't add anything meaningful that Dravenn hasn't already stated. I absolutely love your style of writing. As always Sharon has done a superb job of editing. smile.gif

Thank you, Gary!

QUOTE (Dion @ May 23 2008, 11:27 AM) *
I'm hooked. A week is going to be way too long to wait.

Excellent start, Kevin! thumbsupsmileyanim.gif

Thanks, Dion! It is possible I'll decide to release chapter 2 early, but really it's all dependent on how much writing I can get done. I don't want to get to the end of the series and then have to make everyone wait a month for the next part, so I probably won't start releasing chapters early until I get further along with the next bit. LOL, after I do I'll be just as impatient to get them out there to see what everyone thinks anyway! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Tiff @ May 23 2008, 12:07 PM) *
My God man, why haven't you written anything before? Or have you? You're really good!

I love the narration and the sarcastic thoughts that go through his mind. He's quite a character--confident, fun, and quirky.

Thanks! Very little of what I write ever makes it beyond one chapter before I either lose interest or decide it sucks.

I was very nervous about releasing this story because the only other thing I have posted was the beginning chapters of Indefensible, which I was actually really pleased with. BMAD's style is completely different from that. I attempted to infuse Indefensible with humour as well, but the general narration and style are pretty dissimilar. The focus is also very different. I don't want to reveal too much about either story, but I will say that Indefensible is supposed to be primarily character driven whereas BMAD will actually move along primarily based on plot and events within the story.


QUOTE (Tiff @ May 23 2008, 12:07 PM) *
The whole concept of 'Buy me a Drink aka Bmad' as he searches for someone to bring home while getting free drinks in the process was interesting. I don't know where you're going with this yet, or what develops, but I look forward to finding out.

Thanks! I will say that this is the last chapter in which Ben is primarily referred to as 'Bmad'. I was thinking it might get a bit confusing with that being not only the likely abbreviation for the story, but also the name of the one of the main characters laugh.gif

Also of course as things develop and they get to know each other better I think it would have been odd for Aaron to continue calling him that.


QUOTE (Tiff @ May 23 2008, 12:07 PM) *
Oh and I really like his straight best friend. THe whole fake boyfriend thing and then cheese fries as their routine...very cute. I always appreciate it when the characters are good friends.

Yay for being completed. I'd like to wait until the story is completed before reading, but I'm horribly impatient, so I doubt that will go over well.

Awww, well I can understand wanting to wait, but I also kinda hope you follow along and let me know what you think as we go! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (old bob @ May 23 2008, 02:33 PM) *
I love also both; it's really the first time I found in GA a story with such an humor, with a character laughing of himself.
Kevin, Thanks a lot for the pleasure I had to read this first chapter worshippy.gif
I was laughing from the beginning to the end laugh.gif .
Comparing to your posts, comments and blogs, Aaron is speaking like you, thinking like you, feeling like you. And I prove it : "I’m sure you’re all wondering what a nice boy like me....". A nice boy... everybody knows that this description corresponds to you tongue.gif.
I just want to pick for my pleasure some pearls from your text :

Now I'm smiling, thinking of the next chapters, and enjoying in advance.
Thanks again,
Old Bob

Wooo hoooo! blush1.gif

Thank you very much, Old Bob!! biggrin.gif

I'm really happy that you enjoyed it!



Thanks everyone, I really appreciate it! smile.gif

-Kevin
Tiger
I must brag a little. I love the presentation of this story and how everything is a little relaxed. I also look forward to seeing how things go for the main character. He's a bit of a party boi. Anyway, I am definitely honored to be the beta reader for this story. It's shaping up to be a very interesting series. wink.gif

Gary, that mention is also an "ahem" to you about me being the beta reader. mad.gif
sat8997
QUOTE (GaryInMiami @ May 23 2008, 11:50 AM) *
As always Sharon has done a superb job of editing. smile.gif



QUOTE (Tiger @ May 23 2008, 04:59 PM) *
Gary, that mention is also an "ahem" to you about me being the beta reader. mad.gif


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ComeWhatMay
Reading the first chapter of your story was extremely amusing...

I normally dislike the writing style you chose to write in, but I surprisingly really enjoyed your use of it. Maybe it's because I understand it much more than past stories I've read which are written in similar styles. You can blame Mark Twain for the general dislike though... haha. Anyways, great job using the style that you did and keeping it interesting, understandable, and humourous.

Like Tiff, I have no idea where the story was going, but you better bet I'll be reading the next chapter...

Keep it up!
~Mikie
Tiger
I think we are all wondering where the story. Yes, that includes me. I must say that what I have seen is pretty good, but I cannot say anymore than that. wink.gif
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (Tiger @ May 23 2008, 03:59 PM) *
I must brag a little. I love the presentation of this story and how everything is a little relaxed. I also look forward to seeing how things go for the main character. He's a bit of a party boi. Anyway, I am definitely honored to be the beta reader for this story. It's shaping up to be a very interesting series. wink.gif

Gary, that mention is also an "ahem" to you about me being the beta reader. mad.gif

Awww Thanks Tim! wub.gif and I most honoured to have you as a beta reader too!

QUOTE (ComeWhatMay @ May 23 2008, 10:20 PM) *
Reading the first chapter of your story was extremely amusing...

I normally dislike the writing style you chose to write in, but I surprisingly really enjoyed your use of it. Maybe it's because I understand it much more than past stories I've read which are written in similar styles. You can blame Mark Twain for the general dislike though... haha. Anyways, great job using the style that you did and keeping it interesting, understandable, and humourous.

Like Tiff, I have no idea where the story was going, but you better bet I'll be reading the next chapter...

Keep it up!
~Mikie

Wow! Thanks Mikie! LOL, I know you didn't actually compare me to Mark Twain, but I still appreciate being mentioned in the same paragraph (that is without something like "unlike the very talented Mark Twain, Kevin...." cap.gif)

I'm really glad you're going to keep reading!! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Tiger @ May 23 2008, 10:40 PM) *
I think we are all wondering where the story. Yes, that includes me. I must say that what I have seen is pretty good, but I cannot say anymore than that. wink.gif

Hehe, well I'll send you a couple more chapters then!


Just out of curiosity, did anyone have any thoughts on how Aaron acted around Ben? Like how he didn't want to get involved with him, then he did? Or how he did want to go upstairs and mess around with him but [i]didn't?

How did that come across to you guys? I wanted him to be conflicted on these points but of course I also wanted to keep things realistic.
NickolasJames8
Nice start, Kevin. I loved the way you set everything up, in a systematic way that capured my attention right off the bat. We know who all the characters are, and what their roll is, at least in the first chapter, and yet you left plenty of wiggle room for further development, just like Indefensible.

NOW

Are you planning to continue with Indefensible? You're an amazing writer, and I think that whatever you write is awesome. I personally have been waiting for several dozen weeks for the next chapter of Indefensible to drop, but I can be sated with regular chapter updates of BMAD. smile.gif
old bob
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 24 2008, 10:47 AM) *
Just out of curiosity, did anyone have any thoughts on how Aaron acted around Ben? Like how he didn't want to get involved with him, then he did? Or how he did want to go upstairs and mess around with him but [i]didn't?
How did that come across to you guys? I wanted him to be conflicted on these points but of course I also wanted to keep things realistic.

The conflict is well described as a fact. On one side he is proud to be "elected", on the other he is afraid to be "leaded" by somebody else. Is like a kid getting a cake or an ice cream from somebody he doesn't know: eating it or not? the cake could be poisoned. Springing in the swimming pool or leaving the diving board? The water could be too cold ?
Do I answer your question ?
Shyness, lack of courage, dreamer, not ready to dive in the real world, or mistrust about Ben's group ? The choice is open, and the reader has "water in his mouth" ( It's a French expression "avoir l'eau à la bouche", which means "I want to taste the dish").
IMO, Aaron's main problem is that he is not clear with himself, so he has to walk 2 steps forward and than 1 step back cool.gif.
BTW, I found all this unwritten in the story itself, between the written words.
Nice work !
Another question (I'm too lazy to search myself) :
As Nick said : "Are you planning to continue with Indefensible?"
Where can I find this story ?
Old bob
Edit : I found it ! Now I have something more to read today (Sunday afternoon) biggrin.gif
steph291
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 24 2008, 01:47 AM) *
Just out of curiosity, did anyone have any thoughts on how Aaron acted around Ben? Like how he didn't want to get involved with him, then he did? Or how he did want to go upstairs and mess around with him but didn't?

How did that come across to you guys? I wanted him to be conflicted on these points but of course I also wanted to keep things realistic.

Well, the turn around when Aaron dropped Bmad Ben off was rather abrupt. We didn't have the benefit of hearing why he made that decision.

Originally, I expected Aaron to say that Mick was his boyfriend. So, I was surprised that he seemed to toally forget about that. I thought he had agreed to the whole fake-boyfriend thing, so he could safely observe without participating in the meat market (like Mick). Of course, Aaron never admitted to this (because he can't analyze himself!), but he also never said why he agreed to do it, right? Anyhoo, I figured he was shy and inexperienced, too, and he only agreed to go along with Bmad Ben because his little head was speaking for him. blink.gif I like how he was confused that things just popped out of his mouth.

Oh, and I have a request... I want Aaron to get together with Cosmo Dave! happy.gif Can't wait for the next chapter!
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (NickolasJames8 @ May 24 2008, 07:03 AM) *
Nice start, Kevin. I loved the way you set everything up, in a systematic way that capured my attention right off the bat. We know who all the characters are, and what their roll is, at least in the first chapter, and yet you left plenty of wiggle room for further development, just like Indefensible.

Wow! Thanks Nick! I really appreciate that! biggrin.gif
QUOTE (NickolasJames8 @ May 24 2008, 07:03 AM) *
NOW

Are you planning to continue with Indefensible? You're an amazing writer, and I think that whatever you write is awesome. I personally have been waiting for several dozen weeks for the next chapter of Indefensible to drop, but I can be sated with regular chapter updates of BMAD. smile.gif

I am definitely planning to continue with Indefensible. In fact actually the story that's still nearest to my heart. Indefensible was always supposed to be a rather 'big' story, I wanted to really thoroughly examine all my main characters and get inside their heads. I also have a very long, and complicated plot planned out for the story, and I wanted to explore some really serious moral/legal/ethical issues with it.

I guess 'what happened', was a combination of things. First of all I simply got really busy and didn't have much time to work on it. Primarily though I would say the problem came from lacking inspiration on the particular part of the Mikie/Jeff story that I was up to.

The Mikie/Jeff story is pretty much what unites and drives the whole story, and without it I could still write a story about the others, but it wouldn't really be as good, IMO. In general I'm very eager to tell Mikie/Jeff's story, in fact their story was the initial inspiration for the whole tale. As I said, I just lost inspiration to write the particular part I was up to which IS essential if the story's going to continue.

Anyway, as I said I definitely plan to continue with it. My general writing plans are to knock out the sequel to BMAD and then go straight back into Indefensible. In terms of a time table for release, ideally I want to continue releasing about one chapter of BMAD a week, then go straight into the sequel. As soon as I'm several chapters ahead on Indefensible I'll probably start releasing that simultaneously with Bmad/sequel since they're such different stories anyway. Realistically though it'll probably take me awhile before I'm DONE writing the sequel AND ahead on Indefensible, but as soon as that does happen I will start re-releasing Indefensible. Unfortunately as a rough estimate I would say that'll be at least 5 for 6 months sad.gif

Rest assured that that I WILL finish Indefensible and once it starts again I'm going to do absolutely everything I can to keep from having another big break in the releasing schedule.

Thanks for asking about it, Nick biggrin.gif

QUOTE (old bob @ May 24 2008, 10:24 AM) *
The conflict is well described as a fact. On one side he is proud to be "elected", on the other he is afraid to be "leaded" by somebody else. Is like a kid getting a cake or an ice cream from somebody he doesn't know: eating it or not? the cake could be poisoned. Springing in the swimming pool or leaving the diving board? The water could be too cold ?
Do I answer your question ?
Shyness, lack of courage, dreamer, not ready to dive in the real world, or mistrust about Ben's group ? The choice is open, and the reader has "water in his mouth" ( It's a French expression "avoir l'eau à la bouche", which means "I want to taste the dish").
IMO, Aaron's main problem is that he is not clear with himself, so he has to walk 2 steps forward and than 1 step back B).
BTW, I found all this unwritten in the story itself, between the written words.
Nice work !

Thanks, Old Bob! I think that's a pretty good way to sum up Aaron's feelings right now too. Though there are probably multiple interpretations.

QUOTE (old bob @ May 24 2008, 10:24 AM) *
Another question (I'm too lazy to search myself) :
As Nick said : "Are you planning to continue with Indefensible?"
Where can I find this story ?
Old bob
Edit : I found it ! Now I have something more to read today (Sunday afternoon) biggrin.gif

I hope you like it! Please let me know what you think! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (steph291 @ May 24 2008, 12:12 PM) *
Well, the turn around when Aaron dropped Bmad Ben off was rather abrupt. We didn't have the benefit of hearing why he made that decision.

Originally, I expected Aaron to say that Mick was his boyfriend. So, I was surprised that he seemed to toally forget about that. I thought he had agreed to the whole fake-boyfriend thing, so he could safely observe without participating in the meat market (like Mick). Of course, Aaron never admitted to this (because he can't analyze himself!), but he also never said why he agreed to do it, right? Anyhoo, I figured he was shy and inexperienced, too, and he only agreed to go along with Bmad Ben because his little head was speaking for him. blink.gif I like how he was confused that things just popped out of his mouth.

Oh, and I have a request... I want Aaron to get together with Cosmo Dave! happy.gif Can't wait for the next chapter!

LOL, well you'll certainly in luck, Steph! I'm not completely sure what you meant by Aaron and Cosmo 'getting together', hehe, nor am I going to say just what happens, but there's an Aaron/Cosmo scene in the very next chapter which I particularly like. Also, I *think* that scene might go a little bit of the way toward explaining Aaron's reaction to Ben as well.

I really hope you guys like the next chapter, it goes a good bit of the way toward developing the characters further and contains fairly significant plot action.

Also, if CJ doesn't mind me employing his tradition of releasing the name of the next chapter, I'll announce that it's called: "One For Later"


Thanks everyone smile.gif

-Kevin
Dion
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 23 2008, 02:44 PM) *
It is possible I'll decide to release chapter 2 early, but really it's all dependent on how much writing I can get done.

*folds arms... taps foot*
Smarties
Yep, good start!! I liked it, you're definitly a good writer. I sometimes do what Aaron did about dithering on decisions and sometimes doing the exact opposite of what you would have actually really liked to have done, some reason sabatoging myself but not necessarily making a concious decision to do it. while at other times completley suprising myself with things I do/say as in the first bit with the drink.

Soo. is that what your research is going to be based on? tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Take care, and happy writing,
Celia

Tiff
The more I think about Aaron, the more I like him. The 'whole racing thoughts' just cracks me up. I wonder what the look on his face is like while he's doing this speedy thinking. Is it 'deer caught in headlights' or blank, or just confused.

Now I wonder what my face looks like when I'm trying to make a decision or going through an inner dialogue in my head. biggrin.gif Kevin, see what your writing does to me?? It makes me think of very random stuff when I should be focusing on summer school! tongue.gif

I think the reason why I like Aaron the most is because he's so real and everyone has a bit of him in them. We do something we shouldn't do, or we don't do something we really wanted to. A great portrayal of the everyday person.

Btw, thank goodness Aaron doesn't talk to himself out loud. Sometimes people do that when making decisions. I admit, on occasion, I've done that, but I try to limit that to my car, or at home otherwise, people will think I'm crazy wacko.gif
hedi6789
well, i'm defintely waiting for everything that's coming after! you can't write fast enough!
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (Smarties @ May 25 2008, 11:37 AM) *
Yep, good start!! I liked it, you're definitly a good writer. I sometimes do what Aaron did about dithering on decisions and sometimes doing the exact opposite of what you would have actually really liked to have done, some reason sabatoging myself but not necessarily making a concious decision to do it. while at other times completley suprising myself with things I do/say as in the first bit with the drink.

LOL, exactly! That sort of thing happens to me sometimes.

The most extreme example I can think of was once several years ago when I went into a Subway Sandwich Shop and ordered a sandwich. I got to the condiments section and clear as day said, "Extra Mayo please!" Only to immediately throw my arms up and blurt out, "Wait! I hate mayo!" The last thing I wanted to order was extra mayo. In fact I was probably thinking more along the lines of "everything but mayo" or "plenty of mustard, but no mayo". My only excuse is that I must have somehow been thinking wouldn't it be awful if I got..."extra mayo"


QUOTE (Tiff @ May 25 2008, 12:37 PM) *
Now I wonder what my face looks like when I'm trying to make a decision or going through an inner dialogue in my head. biggrin.gif Kevin, see what your writing does to me?? It makes me think of very random stuff when I should be focusing on summer school! tongue.gif

LOL, it's doing that to me too! I should be focusing on my own classes instead! tongue.gif cap.gif

QUOTE (hedi6789 @ May 26 2008, 01:11 PM) *
well, i'm defintely waiting for everything that's coming after! you can't write fast enough!

YAY! Thanks, Hedi! And welcome to GA! I'm glad you're enjoying the story!

-Kevin
C James
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 24 2008, 04:49 PM) *
Also, if CJ doesn't mind me employing his tradition of releasing the name of the next chapter, I'll announce that it's called: "One For Later"


I think that's great! smile.gif

Kevin, this is a great start! I very muck liked the conversational style and also the depth you manged to develop in the first chapter.
This is really good!

The one very minor constructive thought I had was that perhaps Aaron's name could have been mentioned a little earlier.

I also loved the chapter title; "Hot mess" is sure an eyecatcher! smile.gif
Tiger
QUOTE (C James @ May 27 2008, 03:24 AM) *
I think that's great! smile.gif

Kevin, this is a great start! I very muck liked the conversational style and also the depth you manged to develop in the first chapter.
This is really good!

The one very minor constructive thought I had was that perhaps Aaron's name could have been mentioned a little earlier.

I also loved the chapter title; "Hot mess" is sure an eyecatcher! smile.gif

I have heard of the idea of actually not ever revealing the 1st-person character's name and leaving it a mystery. That actually sounds interesting to me.

Yes, I definitely love the title. In fact, I like all the titles so far. I won't reveal the names of them, but I can say that I like them. innocent.gif
steph291
QUOTE (Tiger @ May 27 2008, 06:28 AM) *
I have heard of the idea of actually not ever revealing the 1st-person character's name and leaving it a mystery. That actually sounds interesting to me.

As a reviewer, I'd hate that, because I'd sit there, saying 'crap! what the heck was his name!' and blame my faulty memory. tongue.gif I actually liked how Kevin dropped it into the story naturally.
GaryK
I just finished beta-reading and editing an anthology in first person where the character's name was never mentioned. Maybe it's because it was a short story, but it worked really well. There simply wasn't any need to know what the character's name was. It wouldn't have added anything to the story, and leaving it out didn't detract from the story either. This approach should be used judiciously as it might not work in a longer-format story.
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (C James @ May 27 2008, 03:24 AM) *
I think that's great! smile.gif

Kevin, this is a great start! I very muck liked the conversational style and also the depth you manged to develop in the first chapter.
This is really good!

Thanks CJ! smile.gif

QUOTE (C James @ May 27 2008, 03:24 AM) *
The one very minor constructive thought I had was that perhaps Aaron's name could have been mentioned a little earlier.

Thanks for pointing this out!

I agree with you, I probably should have mentioned Aaron's name in at least the first scene. The story sort of dawned on me on one morning when I had the day off and was taking a long, hot bath. The longer I soaked the more I thought about the story, and by the time I got out, dried off etc., and got to the computer I had things pretty fleshed out about how I wanted the first chapter to be.

As a result I wrote it pretty it quickly, and while it was always rather the point to make it informal and conversational, the first draft - before anyone got a look - was very casual SLOPPY. My original emphasis was just on getting the story down and then cleaning it up.

I actually vaguely remember when I got to that point of Jake asking, "You sure, Aaron?" that I briefly stopped, reviewed the text, and realized that WOW this was the first time I'd mentioned Aaron's name. As a result, I felt it needed some explanation, so I decided to slap down a casual, and mildly amusing "That's my name by the way" and continue with the story.

I'm sure I meant to go back and revise it later, but obviously I never really got around to it. I can somewhat justify that since I'm telling the story from Aaron's point of view, and since hopefully in that process I'm able to identify with Aaron, that 'Aaron' hadn't considered mentioning his name up until that point. It sort of fits with the whole racing thoughts, casual narration thing.

However, as an author and objective reviewer, I think it would have been better mentioned sooner in case people were sitting there thinking, "Ok, so what's this guy's name?" The best solution I've been able to come up with would have been for the opening line of the story, as uttered by Jake, to have been something like, "Well Aaron, it looks like Bmad's got another one." instead of just "Looks like Bmad's got another one."

Do you guys think that would have worked better?

Also, most importantly:

Were you wondering what Aaron's name was prior to Jake revealing it?


-Kevin
GaryK
Yes and yes. smile.gif

However this is still a wonderful story.
sat8997
QUOTE (Tiger @ May 27 2008, 09:28 AM) *
Yes, I definitely love the title. In fact, I like all the titles so far. I won't reveal the names of them, but I can say that I like them. innocent.gif


Oh I should certainly hope not. I don't think Kevin's editor would like that very much. I hear she can be very scary. blink.gif

My personal favorite is Chapter Eight innocent.gif
GaryK
QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 27 2008, 05:06 PM) *
Oh I should certainly hope not. I don't think Kevin's editor would like that very much. I hear she can be very scary. blink.gif

My personal favorite is Chapter Eight innocent.gif

Nah, I hear she's just a pussycat disguised as a mean old lion. wub.gif
sat8997
QUOTE (GaryInMiami @ May 27 2008, 05:31 PM) *
Nah, I hear she's just a pussycat disguised as a mean old lion. wub.gif


Old?? Did he call me old?? You know, I think he did. dry.gif
GaryK
QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 27 2008, 05:42 PM) *
Old?? Did he call me old?? You know, I think he did. dry.gif

You're a better editor that than Sharon. Parse the words better. I called you a pussycat. That implies a young cat. I only claimed that you're disguised as a mean old lion. tongue.gif
sat8997
QUOTE (GaryInMiami @ May 27 2008, 06:01 PM) *
You're a better editor that than that Sharon. Parse the words better. I called you a pussycat. That implies a young cat. I only claimed that you're disguised as a mean old lion. tongue.gif


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GaryK
QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 27 2008, 07:02 PM) *
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I deserved that, but still... tongue.gif
sat8997
We’re being terribly off topic here and I should know better. biggrin.gif

Sooo…the first time I read this, I was having such a good time laughing and being entertained that I didn’t even notice that I didn’t know Aaron’s name right off the bat. I was too interested in Mick and Jake and BMAD’s crew, seeing them through the narrator’s eyes. So for me anyway, it didn't really matter.
Tiger
QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 27 2008, 06:25 PM) *
We’re being terribly off topic here and I should know better. biggrin.gif

Sooo…the first time I read this, I was having such a good time laughing and being entertained that I didn’t even notice that I didn’t know Aaron’s name right off the bat. I was too interested in Mick and Jake and BMAD’s crew, seeing them through the narrator’s eyes. So for me anyway, it didn't really matter.

I was too, Sharon. I happen to like how Aaron seems to have nicknames for them all. Another thing that jumped out at me was that the story is almost like a journal, yet it is not.
corvus
Hey Kevin, here's to a fine new voice on GA! Well, it's not really new -- anyone with his head screwed on right would've figured from your posts that you'd have a gift for storytelling. What I find most appealing is your convincing rendering of the shallow-gay-world and the overall tone and voice. It's light and humorous, but I think you have the capability to do something visceral with it, too.

Since I respect you too much to write you off with nothing but praise, I'll give you my dish of concrit as well. biggrin.gif One is that I don't think you need those italics. You're already in first person, and all this italicizing makes me wonder if Aaron is schizophrenic. Secondly, I wasn't terribly convinced by the moment Aaron and Bmad met. Instead of thinking, "This is definitely NOT according to script," I would have him "stare. And step back, sputtering" before doing his clever thinking. Thirdly, some of Aaron's thoughts pushed dangerously on the "this is here b/c it's clever" line. So I'd be careful with that.

I'm glad you're truly writing now! I mean, epic!posts, who cares about those, even if they've an accumulated word count of 100,000... tongue.gif
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (Tiger @ May 27 2008, 08:28 AM) *
Yes, I definitely love the title. In fact, I like all the titles so far. I won't reveal the names of them, but I can say that I like them. innocent.gif

Thanks Tim! LOL, and thanks for not revealing them either, it is fun to have a surprise in that regard I think!

I also have to admit that I've always really liked giving things titles. In all honesty it's a simple joy that's one of my favourite aspects of being a writer. In fact, if anyone happens to remember I even liked it so much I used to name the scenes within Indefensible. Of course the chapters and scenes themselves were much longer (about twice as long actually) than they are for BMAD.

QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 27 2008, 04:06 PM) *
Oh I should certainly hope not. I don't think Kevin's editor would like that very much. I hear she can be very scary. blink.gif

My personal favorite is Chapter Eight innocent.gif

Thanks Sharon! biggrin.gif

LOL, and I appreciate you keeping us in line about spoilers too! I like to chat (there's a surprise), so I'll have to be very careful to avoid giving anything away.

Chapter Eight's title is probably my favourite too. Largely in part because it's not only fun, but I had several layers of meaning in mind with it. I'm very much looking forward to discussing why I named it what I did, lol.

With "Hot Mess" it's pretty obvious. Anyone have any speculation about the title of chapter 2, "One For Later"?

QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 27 2008, 06:25 PM) *
Sooo…the first time I read this, I was having such a good time laughing and being entertained that I didn’t even notice that I didn’t know Aaron’s name right off the bat. I was too interested in Mick and Jake and BMAD’s crew, seeing them through the narrator’s eyes. So for me anyway, it didn't really matter.

Thanks! biggrin.gif

I was having so much fun writing it that's probably why I left it as late as I did too tongue.gif cap.gif

QUOTE (Tiger @ May 27 2008, 07:16 PM) *
I was too, Sharon. I happen to like how Aaron seems to have nicknames for them all. Another thing that jumped out at me was that the story is almost like a journal, yet it is not.

Good observation, Tim. At one point very early on I toyed with the idea of making it into one of Aaron's journals. I actually decided against it because had I done it journal style it would have been much more formal. This is supposed to be Aaron speaking and thinking NOT writing. Aaron is a well-educated college student with aspirations of completing a thesis. I think his writing would be much more formal, and he wouldn't be interjecting his silly thoughts and comments all the time.

LOL, in that way please don't regard this story as my writing, guys. Please regard it as Aaron's thoughts and storytelling.

QUOTE (corvus @ May 27 2008, 07:31 PM) *
Hey Kevin, here's to a fine new voice on GA! Well, it's not really new -- anyone with his head screwed on right would've figured from your posts that you'd have a gift for storytelling. What I find most appealing is your convincing rendering of the shallow-gay-world and the overall tone and voice. It's light and humorous, but I think you have the capability to do something visceral with it, too.

Thanks Corvus! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (corvus @ May 27 2008, 07:31 PM) *
Since I respect you too much to write you off with nothing but praise, I'll give you my dish of concrit as well. biggrin.gif One is that I don't think you need those italics. You're already in first person, and all this italicizing makes me wonder if Aaron is schizophrenic.

That's a valid consideration. My primary purpose was to make it easier for the reader to distinguish Aaron's spoken words from his inner monologue, because very often his inner monologue sounds and looks very much like something he might say. I tend to think the story is more confusing and more difficult to read without the italics, but of course that's a judgment call.

Sharon actually made that suggestion, and I think it was an excellent one! I was pretty much insistent on doing something to make the dialogue stand out, and my original idea and strategy (she had to go back and do a lot of work to correct this actually! worshippy.gif ) was to use bold for the dialogue and leave everything standard. I think that would have been a MUCH worse idea! For one thing thoughts in italics is a more accepted convention (Aaron just has ALOT of them), apart from which it actually makes everything easier to read since it now comes down to:

Quotation marks for dialogue
Italics for thoughts and comments
Standard font for exposition

I'm really not an exposition kinda guy, and this story in particular is more chat/thoughty than standard exposition, so without even meaning to, I think there's actually a pretty even blend of all three. Italicized thoughts and comments a probably still the least used of the three though.

Regarding the Aaron being Schizophrenic thing...is he? I don't mean to suggest he is, nor do I actively mean to suggest he isn't for that matter, but I would like to say two things regarding this. First of all, Aaron isn't supposed to be the world's most normal person. The hyper-active, over-caffeinated racing thoughts are one major manifestation of his personality.

Second, the style truly is supposed to represent internal thoughts and informal conversation versus traditional writing. It's definitely unconventional to list all of a character's thoughts, but I think that someone having thoughts is actually pretty true to life. Granted the majority of most people's thoughts probably aren't necessarily as neatly formed or as witty and/or sarcastic, so to some extent that's creative license, but I think most people do spend big chunks of their day and major portions of their conversations with unspoken thoughts flying around their heads.


QUOTE (corvus @ May 27 2008, 07:31 PM) *
Secondly, I wasn't terribly convinced by the moment Aaron and Bmad met. Instead of thinking, "This is definitely NOT according to script," I would have him "stare. And step back, sputtering" before doing his clever thinking.

You're definitely right! Thank you for pointing that out. I'm almost positive I would have taken that into consideration and re-written it had that occurred to me prior to posting the chapter. Wish it had! blush1.gif

QUOTE (corvus @ May 27 2008, 07:31 PM) *
Thirdly, some of Aaron's thoughts pushed dangerously on the "this is here b/c it's clever" line. So I'd be careful with that.

Point well taken, and from a personal perspective as the writer you've probably got a point. However, without wanting to reveal any spoilers, I may just have something in mind with Aaron's tendency to be relentlessly sarcastic. So yes, on the one hand the lines are there because they're fun, but on the other I don't mean for them to be completely incidental either.

In any case, you're definitely right that I could easily go too far and must be careful! Indeed, after several days 'trapped inside Aaron's head' I did have the urge to slap him and demand that he quit being such an irritating, lippy prick. So you're right, I must be careful to avoid annoying the audience, taking things too far, or being unrealistic.

Wonderful review, Corvus, thanks! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (corvus @ May 27 2008, 07:31 PM) *
I'm glad you're truly writing now! I mean, epic!posts, who cares about those, even if they've an accumulated word count of 100,000... tongue.gif

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Anyway, Chapter 2: One For Later, will definitely be online no later than the evening of Thursday the 29th or the morning of Friday the 30th. However, there's a chance I'll end up posting it about a day before that (thus tonight/early Thursday morning) if I'm able to finish the first chapter of the sequel (I'm kinda hoping to stay pretty far ahead of the posting).

Take care all, thanks for reading, and have a great day!
Kevin
steph291
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 28 2008, 02:25 AM) *
You're definitely right! Thank you for pointing that out. I'm almost positive I would have taken that into consideration and re-written it had that occurred to me prior to posting the chapter. Wish it had! blush1.gif

why couldn't you change it now, even though it's already posted?

QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 28 2008, 02:25 AM) *
Anyway, Chapter 2: One For Later, will definitely be online no later than the evening of Thursday the 29th or the morning of Friday the 30th. However, there's a chance I'll end up posting it about a day before that (thus tonight/early Thursday morning) if I'm able to finish the first chapter of the sequel (I'm kinda hoping to stay pretty far ahead of the posting).

YAY! happy.gif
Devineathst
Awesome story
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (steph291 @ May 28 2008, 11:40 PM) *
why couldn't you change it now, even though it's already posted?

Well I guess I could...but I sorta feel like now that it's online it is how it is. I mean I would change any typos, or grammatical errors, or misstated facts, but it doesn't seem right to change the plot of the story itself.

BTW, many of the 'errors' in the story with regards to grammar and punctuation are more or less intention and deal with Aaron's style and tone, BUT any typos or obvious errors I very much want to correct, so if anyone sees any of those please do let me know!!

QUOTE (steph291 @ May 28 2008, 11:40 PM) *
YAY! happy.gif

Eugh...I didn't get a chance to post as early as I hoped I would. However, I'm going to go and post the new chapter right now, so I hope you guys like it! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Devineathst @ May 29 2008, 06:06 PM) *
Awesome story

Woo hoo!! Thanks, dude! And welcome to the forum! I feel incredibly honoured that your first post was in a discussion thread for BMAD smile.gif


I'll let you guys know when I've finished posting the new chapter,

Take care all and have an awesome day!
Kevin
GaryK
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 29 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Well I guess I could...but I sorta feel like now that it's online it is how it is. I mean I would change any typos, or grammatical errors, or misstated facts, but it doesn't seem right to change the plot of the story itself.

It's still early enough in the story that if you feel the change is warranted I think we could deal with it.
Tiger
QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 27 2008, 04:06 PM) *
Oh I should certainly hope not. I don't think Kevin's editor would like that very much. I hear she can be very scary. blink.gif

My personal favorite is Chapter Eight
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I happen to agree, Sharon. cool.gif That is a great title!
GaryK
QUOTE (Tiger @ May 29 2008, 08:24 PM) *
I happen to agree, Sharon. cool.gif That is a great title!

You're both cruel teasers. Keep it up and I'm gonna start doing the same thing about the sequel to LTMP. tongue.gif
AFriendlyFace
LOL well on the bright side you guys only have to wait about 6 more weeks to find out what the title to chapter 8 is! innocent.gif



If anyone's interested in reading Chapter 2, please check it out and let me know what you think!
sat8997
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 29 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Well I guess I could...but I sorta feel like now that it's online it is how it is. I mean I would change any typos, or grammatical errors, or misstated facts, but it doesn't seem right to change the plot of the story itself.



QUOTE (GaryInMiami @ May 29 2008, 08:20 PM) *
It's still early enough in the story that if you feel the change is warranted I think we could deal with it.


I don't think any change is warranted. The scene works very well as written and I think that's exactly how Aaron would react.
GaryK
As I said in my review I'm a man of few words when it comes to reviews. Just know that I loved this chapter. Aaron's in a fine mess on several fronts. It'll be interesting to see how he deals with Ben and if he's able to help Jake.

“Jake, contrary to popular belief there really isn’t this big, queer directory that we all have access to.”

That line had me doubled-over with laughter. smile.gif

Sharon I wasn't suggesting a change was needed. Only that if Kev was going to make one now would be the time to do it. smile.gif
AFriendlyFace
QUOTE (sat8997 @ May 29 2008, 08:17 PM) *
I don't think any change is warranted. The scene works very well as written and I think that's exactly how Aaron would react.

Thanks Sharon! You probably know Aaron as well or better than me anyway, so if you think it's inline with how he would react that's a great relief! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (GaryInMiami @ May 29 2008, 08:21 PM) *
As I said in my review I'm a man of few words when it comes to reviews. Just know that I loved this chapter. Aaron's in a fine mess on several fronts. It'll be interesting to see how hw deals with Ben and if he's able to help Jake.

“Jake, contrary to popular belief there really isn’t this big, queer directory that we all have access to.”

That line had me doubled-over with laughter. smile.gif

Sharon I wasn't suggesting a change was needed. Only that if Kev was going to make one now would be the time to do it. smile.gif

Thanks Gary!

I can't really take complete credit for that line since I was more or less just expanding on the observation that quite a few gay and lesbian writers and comedians have made about straight people seeming to assume we all know each other, but it felt in line with both Jake and Aaron's characters and their dynamic, so I was glad to throw it in smile.gif

-Kevin
GaryK
QUOTE (AFriendlyFace @ May 29 2008, 09:26 PM) *
I can't really take complete credit for that line since I was more or less just expanding on the observation that quite a few gay and lesbian writers and comedians have made about straight people seeming to assume we all know each other, but it felt in line with both Jake and Aaron's characters and their dynamic, so I was glad to throw it in smile.gif

I know the line's not completely unique. I've seen it used in reference to any number of groups of people. Sometimes it's offensive. Here it was a perfect line which is why it elicited a hearty laugh from me. smile.gif
Tiger
QUOTE (GaryInMiami @ May 29 2008, 07:30 PM) *
You're both cruel teasers. Keep it up and I'm gonna start doing the same thing about the sequel to LTMP. tongue.gif

Well, I could always do the same with CJ's upcoming sci-fi story, so HA!
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