http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26010055/?GT1=43001
What do you think?
Full Version: Obama and Biden
It seems a choice well done , but I let my US friends give their opinions first.
I checked CNN :
Biden was long considered a possible choice for vice president, but the buzz surrounding him intensified after he returned earlier this week from a two-day trip to the Republic of Georgia after Russian troops invaded.
Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, brings years of experience that could help counter GOP arguments that an Obama administration would be inexperienced on foreign policy.
I agree with that.
I checked CNN :
Biden was long considered a possible choice for vice president, but the buzz surrounding him intensified after he returned earlier this week from a two-day trip to the Republic of Georgia after Russian troops invaded.
Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, brings years of experience that could help counter GOP arguments that an Obama administration would be inexperienced on foreign policy.
I agree with that.
Hmmm... it seems like a good match. While Biden does have the foreign policy experience, he does lack a bit of tact when it comes to speaking about something. At the same time, Obama does lack in the foreign policy department, but is an excellent speaker. While these are the point I can make while i'm still in a daze from being up early (5am) for work, IMO they're a good pair and a perfect match.
Eric
Eric
This seems to me to be a situation in which the running mate is a lot more qualified than the candidate himself.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-th...ml?hpid=topnews
Here's a poll that The Washington Post did on the impact of Biden becoming Obama's running mate. As you can see, not a lot of people really care that he became his running mate (only 13% do). From what I could tell, a lot of the respondents are voting for Obama not Biden (which is a good thing seeing as we vote (sorta) for who we want as president).
Here's a poll that The Washington Post did on the impact of Biden becoming Obama's running mate. As you can see, not a lot of people really care that he became his running mate (only 13% do). From what I could tell, a lot of the respondents are voting for Obama not Biden (which is a good thing seeing as we vote (sorta) for who we want as president).
Born and raised in Scranton, PA.
He's a local to me.
WOOT!!!
And 13% caring could make quite a lot for Obama. Let's say, if it gives him a 1-3% boost, then it's worth it.
He's a local to me.
WOOT!!!
And 13% caring could make quite a lot for Obama. Let's say, if it gives him a 1-3% boost, then it's worth it.
For a campaign based on hope, new approaches and way too many promises, I notice that the Obama people picked another machine politician and old white guy. Sounds a lot like business as usual to me.
Ah somethings never changes James, I had a feeling that a Biden thread would come up and thought that I should end my hiatus with a post.
The Biden ticket adds a bit more depth and makes the Obama campaign of change slightly more compromising. Biden has been a pro-Iraq war senator from the start, so it opens up the campaign to debate issues on direction for the war without the problem of experience or knowledgeable understanding. As a member of the foreign relations committee, Biden offers the bonuses of experience, but his mouth has not served him well.
Now concerning our own issues: He is pro federal defense of marriage act, which allows other states to not acknowledge gay marriage, and pro-civil unions for each state that wants it. Small state decisions concerning LGBT issues are what he favors, but it opens up the question on whether or not either the democratic presidential or vice-presidential candidate will fight for equality, when they may very likely a ten point bump by allowing individual state control of those issues.
The Biden ticket adds a bit more depth and makes the Obama campaign of change slightly more compromising. Biden has been a pro-Iraq war senator from the start, so it opens up the campaign to debate issues on direction for the war without the problem of experience or knowledgeable understanding. As a member of the foreign relations committee, Biden offers the bonuses of experience, but his mouth has not served him well.
Now concerning our own issues: He is pro federal defense of marriage act, which allows other states to not acknowledge gay marriage, and pro-civil unions for each state that wants it. Small state decisions concerning LGBT issues are what he favors, but it opens up the question on whether or not either the democratic presidential or vice-presidential candidate will fight for equality, when they may very likely a ten point bump by allowing individual state control of those issues.
You're not going to have overwhelming support for gay marriage in either party. Biden does seem to be more of a moderate than does Obama. That may actually add some appeal. However, if there is too much disagreement, it could lead to problems with the overall message of their campaign from this point forward. I also agree with James. This does seem to be business as usual. There are always going to be rich white men as a majority in government in the US. The only way that will ever change is if and when another group surpasses the number of Caucasians in the US and manages to have the lion's share of wealth.
Me?
I feel it is great! The only reason is that Biden is a staunch pro-Indian. I had stated it earlier that the only reason that I am confused about both McCain and Obama was due to their similar stance as far as India was concerned. Given that the current Republican government is so pro-India, it was assumed that if another Republican government came, they would follow in Bush's footsteps.
I have always liked the Democrats and now, with Biden as the running mate, I feel that Obama should win. With Obama's somewhat pro-Indian stance and Biden's totally pro-Indian stance (He is a staunch supporter of the Indo-US nuclear deal), I am sure that both countries will benefit with a Democratic government.
BeaStKid
I feel it is great! The only reason is that Biden is a staunch pro-Indian. I had stated it earlier that the only reason that I am confused about both McCain and Obama was due to their similar stance as far as India was concerned. Given that the current Republican government is so pro-India, it was assumed that if another Republican government came, they would follow in Bush's footsteps.
I have always liked the Democrats and now, with Biden as the running mate, I feel that Obama should win. With Obama's somewhat pro-Indian stance and Biden's totally pro-Indian stance (He is a staunch supporter of the Indo-US nuclear deal), I am sure that both countries will benefit with a Democratic government.
BeaStKid
Frankly I think Bill Richardson was both a much better candidate for the office of the presidency and a better pick for Vice President.
QUOTE (Demetz @ August 24 2008, 01:00 PM) 
Frankly I think Bill Richardson was both a much better candidate for the office of the presidency and a better pick for Vice President.
I agree... and I am kinda disturbed at some of the comments I was reading online about Hilliary Clinton supporters ticked off so badly that they are now voting for McCain, and that me is stupid. Vote for your party's candidate, not who didn't tick you off.
I've also taken a look at the VP nominee Senator Biden and IMO, it seems that Obama chose a Washington insider. Wasn't he supposed to change the way Washington work, but now needs someone who's been around for a lot longer. I can see where the experience can come in handy, but surely there are other candidates besides Biden that can bring the change Obama promised.
Dunno if that made sense and correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't paid much attention to politics but now I am.
Eric
Well this is a mixed bag of thoughts -- I am very pro Obama from the get go and fully agree with his selection of Biden. Biden has been in the Senate for 36 years but is still his own man-- saying what he thinks, even if others disagree. Obama has said he doesn't want yes people -- he wants ideas and truth from others.
Both are into constitutional law and both have taught in university and are very intelligent. I think that overall they will make a great team. Biden, being a free thinker, has been resistant to the core DC establishment mentality and will strongly support the change movement.
As to Obama not picking Richardson -- I think we are going to see many of those people, including even, Kucinich and Hillary, coming on board as cabinet members. The Dems had a great list of people in the primary and I would expect all but Gravel included in his administration. I also see Wes Clark as Sec. of Defense
Obama is a good thinker and his judgment is impeccable. He knew just how he wanted his campaign to be run and brought in the right people to do it. The result was a very well oiled piece of machinery. Which will be exactly how his administration will be run. Obama WILL be our next president - mark my word!! McDump will be yesterdays cold toast.
YES WE CAN!!!!!!
Both are into constitutional law and both have taught in university and are very intelligent. I think that overall they will make a great team. Biden, being a free thinker, has been resistant to the core DC establishment mentality and will strongly support the change movement.
As to Obama not picking Richardson -- I think we are going to see many of those people, including even, Kucinich and Hillary, coming on board as cabinet members. The Dems had a great list of people in the primary and I would expect all but Gravel included in his administration. I also see Wes Clark as Sec. of Defense
Obama is a good thinker and his judgment is impeccable. He knew just how he wanted his campaign to be run and brought in the right people to do it. The result was a very well oiled piece of machinery. Which will be exactly how his administration will be run. Obama WILL be our next president - mark my word!! McDump will be yesterdays cold toast.
YES WE CAN!!!!!!
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I'm going to be nice and assume that people are thinking that since Joe Biden is older, white, and in the US Senate, he is automatically rich. Most certainly I hope noone is spreading this falsehood knowingly. Biden is among the poorest of Senators in our Congress. here is an article that gives details about his net worth as of June 2008. It was the TOP result when I typed the words "biden net worth' into Google. It takes a few seconds to find out the untruths that are being spread already by conservatives.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080824/ap_on_..._biden_finances
Overall Joe Biden is a good, solid choice. He has good foreign policy experience. While he did vote for the Iraq War, he has since stated it was a big mistake that he'd like a "Do Over' to fix. I happen to respect the people who are willing to admit when they admit mistakes.
Even more than Joe Biden as an individual, this choice reflects something I have wanted to see in American Leadership for a long time. When our leaders surround themselves with 'true believers' and 'yes men', our country is hurt. It doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican. Surrounding yourself with people only of a like mind, or who will not speak their mind is a big mistake. Obama, as President, will be the person making the final decision, but selecting Joe Biden is a clear signal that he will surround himself with smart, experienced people who will tell him what they really think, not what he wants to hear. At least Obama's people don't have to worry about him flying into a rage and ordering a nuclear strike on half the world.
I'm going to be nice and assume that people are thinking that since Joe Biden is older, white, and in the US Senate, he is automatically rich. Most certainly I hope noone is spreading this falsehood knowingly. Biden is among the poorest of Senators in our Congress. here is an article that gives details about his net worth as of June 2008. It was the TOP result when I typed the words "biden net worth' into Google. It takes a few seconds to find out the untruths that are being spread already by conservatives.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080824/ap_on_..._biden_finances
QUOTE
Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., chairman Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's running mate.
Earned income: $298,200.
Honoraria, all donated to charity: $1,025.
Major assets: Bank accounts, mutual funds and insurance policies, $59,000-$366,000.
Major sources of unearned income: Income from various mutual funds, dividends from Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Co. policies, $2,501-$5,000.
Major liabilities: Loans against cash value of life insurance policies, $15,001-$50,000; loan co-signer to pay for son's college expenses, $15,001-$50,000; line of credit, J. Wilmington Savings Fund Society, $100,001-$250,000.
Gifts: None.
Narrative: Biden collected $112,500, the second half of his advance, for delivering the manuscript of his book, "Promises to Keep," to publisher Random House in July 2007. He also earned $20,500 in teaching stipends from Widener University. The unsuccessful presidential candidate appeared on "Real Time with Bill Maher" and "The Late Show with David Letterman" last year, collecting $1,025 appearance fees for each that went to charity.
Earned income: $298,200.
Honoraria, all donated to charity: $1,025.
Major assets: Bank accounts, mutual funds and insurance policies, $59,000-$366,000.
Major sources of unearned income: Income from various mutual funds, dividends from Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Co. policies, $2,501-$5,000.
Major liabilities: Loans against cash value of life insurance policies, $15,001-$50,000; loan co-signer to pay for son's college expenses, $15,001-$50,000; line of credit, J. Wilmington Savings Fund Society, $100,001-$250,000.
Gifts: None.
Narrative: Biden collected $112,500, the second half of his advance, for delivering the manuscript of his book, "Promises to Keep," to publisher Random House in July 2007. He also earned $20,500 in teaching stipends from Widener University. The unsuccessful presidential candidate appeared on "Real Time with Bill Maher" and "The Late Show with David Letterman" last year, collecting $1,025 appearance fees for each that went to charity.
Overall Joe Biden is a good, solid choice. He has good foreign policy experience. While he did vote for the Iraq War, he has since stated it was a big mistake that he'd like a "Do Over' to fix. I happen to respect the people who are willing to admit when they admit mistakes.
Even more than Joe Biden as an individual, this choice reflects something I have wanted to see in American Leadership for a long time. When our leaders surround themselves with 'true believers' and 'yes men', our country is hurt. It doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican. Surrounding yourself with people only of a like mind, or who will not speak their mind is a big mistake. Obama, as President, will be the person making the final decision, but selecting Joe Biden is a clear signal that he will surround himself with smart, experienced people who will tell him what they really think, not what he wants to hear. At least Obama's people don't have to worry about him flying into a rage and ordering a nuclear strike on half the world.
After careful pondering, I think that Obama made the right decision and chose Biden. While I still have some reservations about it, I think it was for the best.
Eric
Eric
I've liked what I've read so far. I reallly hope they win your election (fingers crossed).
Celia
Celia
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/ (small video)
watching that little video before Obama gave his speech (I still havent had time yet), but it reminds all over again why I am so glad that Obama is your democratic nominee. I don't think it matters that Obama may not have the perfect policys on gay issues (ie. for some having decared he will support gay marriage), but that he has these attitudes. he's the perfect pick for your next prez IMO. i like best the quote on, you see something wrong, and You go out and fix it, don't wait for someone else or more time to flyby.
just thought I'd share,
night, night,
celia
watching that little video before Obama gave his speech (I still havent had time yet), but it reminds all over again why I am so glad that Obama is your democratic nominee. I don't think it matters that Obama may not have the perfect policys on gay issues (ie. for some having decared he will support gay marriage), but that he has these attitudes. he's the perfect pick for your next prez
IMO. i like best the quote on, you see something wrong, and You go out and fix it, don't wait for someone else or more time to flyby. just thought I'd share,
night, night,
celia
To those thinking Biden's experience in the senate makes him a washington insider and compromises the message of change, I do have a couple questions.
First: What about Washington do you expect Obama to change and
Second: Isn't having someone who knows the system an advantage if you intend to go about changing it?
First: What about Washington do you expect Obama to change and
Second: Isn't having someone who knows the system an advantage if you intend to go about changing it?
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