This is the first thing I've ever written in the gay fiction genre to go online, so I've got a full-blown case of the newbie jitters right now.

I was awestruck by the background and formatting that Luigi added. It GREAT, THANK YOU Luigi!!

So, anyone have any comments? Good, bad, or otherwise?

WARNING: Spoilers below!!!!

I was quite impressed, CJ. At first, when I saw the title, I thought it was going to be a comedy, but it turned out to be really sweet and romantic. And I breathed a sigh of relief when I got to the end and found out that they would be able to continue their relationship. I'm a sucker for happy endings!

Anyway, excellent story, CJ! I hope you'll decide to write more in the future!

*Hugz*

Buddha

Hey!.. good luck with your first online gay-fiction story. I'll definately read the anthology stories

Wonderful wonderful story. I loved it. By far the best short story that I have read in a long time.



Kurt

Now that was one fun story. That's what I call coming out! Congrats, Author CJ!

You created just the right amount of tension between Trevor and Jason in the early part of the story. Thanks for all the surfing lingo.

So, just as Jase and Trev did, enjoy the afterglow!

Hooda thought a goat could write!

Hugs,
Conner

Awesome job, dude. I really enjoyed the story.

Now, when I post something, I always get mad at people if they can't tell me at least ONE thing they didn't like, so I can try to improve my next story. So I take some running notes when I'm reading someone else's work so I can share my thoughts with them after, both good and bad. I hope it's okay - some people don't like critique - but I'm gonna go out on a limb here...

(maybe spoilers below - stop readin if you haven't read the damn story yet, people!)

- OK, first, you seem to be in love with commas. Your story flows beautifully, and then once in a while there's a line that has uneeded commas, which break up that flow. For example, "But, things had most certainly changed, forever" could be "But things had most certainly changed forever" with no ill effect. Likewise, "Finally, they gave up, once they figured out that I was going with, or without, their blessing" could be "Finally, they gave up once they figured out that I was going with or without their blessing".

- Umm, what's water polo? And how do they get horses into a pool?

- Wow, the feeling of FREEDOM you capture thoughout the whole story is great. What teenager doesn't dream of a road trip or vacation on their own? It all came to a head right when he saw the ocean in LA. Awesome imagery.

- The interaction between the two is great...and I like that your characters aren't carboard cutouts. For example, Trevor is a good guy, but not a boy scout; he can't help but assist Jason in his time of need, but he can't resist stroking his hair just a bit when he thinks he's out cold. Beautiful.

- There was one part, I don't have a quote here but I'm sure you can find it - where Jason says that htye should enjoy the time that they have, and then Trevor says almost exactly the same thing ("enjoy the time we have"). It's an emotional moment, made a little awkward by the redundant phrasing. I'd just change a word or two.

- I think the buildup between the two is just right; I generally prefer stories that don't have the main characters "gettin' it on" in the first shot (well, except for some of my lonelier nights ) but this really works - they hook up maybe 36 hours after meeting - but it's such a cool casual thing that neither of them will regret. And I have no doubt they can continue in the fall. Woo hoo!

So really, really nice job dude. I loved it.

-Dez

Thank you everyone for your wonderful comments! Y'all have made my day!!!

LB, Krista, Kurt, Conner, and Dezlboi, THANK YOU!!!
I do intend writing more, and in fact have a multi-chapter story well underway. I'll begin posting chapters in eFiction fairly soon.



I like critiques! I'm always looking to improve.
I do see your point about the over-use of commas. I'll keep that in mind in the future. Thanks!!


ROFL! You are kidding, I hope? Or should I have included a description of the sport?



Good point on the phrasing.. I'll keep that in mind, too.

As for the sex scene, it's ironic that it's there at all! I'm the guy who often says "I usually just skip over that part"! I had no intention whatsoever of writing a sex scene when I started this story. In fact, I was afraid to, as I've never tried before. (In one of the stories I'm working on, the draft version has a sex scene denoted as <sex scene> because I had no clue how to write one.) But, the original ending had Trevor and Jason discussing things and making the "discovery" of going to the same college during their initial making-out, but that didn't seem to work. Two teens making out with each other for the first time probably wouldn't be chatting in that much detail! So, I decided that this way might work, and as I'd never written a sex scene before, I decided to give it a try.

My sincere thanks to everyone!!!
CJ

Hi Cj! It took my awhile, but I finally read your anthology story and it was cute. You captured every high school grad - future college freshman's desire to get out and live a little in the middle of teenager - adult.

And I am so with you on sex scenes.. lol. I've wrote a few in other stories, but I'm so apprehensive about doing it still.. haha.

I'm so glad that you're motivated to continue writing... looking forward to reading you on eFiction..

Krista

Hey CJ I really enjoyed this story! I thought it was well told and very humourous. Especially when the doctor said:


I couldn't help but think, "gee, if I feel off a cliff I might be a tad irritable too!"

LOL I also found this bit very amusing:



In general I was thoroughly engrossed in the story, especially since Jason is just my "type" . I was thinking when he said:


that everything was going to be out in the open!

I was very curious about Jason in general. I thought he must have some big secret (besides being gay) since he seemed reluctant to talk about his past or future. I was very pleased when I found out they'd be going to the same school . I also loved how you brought back the detail of the rainbow bumper sticker and made it significant. Great touch!

Oh and just a personal note about my own reading/writing preferance, I much prefer when authors err on the side of over-punctuation to under. I often find myself thinking, "this needs more commas", but I never think, "too many commas" unless they're just blatantly wrong.

Anyway great job and I look forward to reading more of your work!

Kevin

Thank you, Krista!

I've been hoping that someone would comment on the make out and sex scene in my story. I still have no clue if it's ok, really stinks, or somewhere in between. It's not something I plan on writing a lot of (I'm not a fan of lots of sex in a story, once in a multi-chapter is fine for me) but I'm wondering if I should avoid it completely.



I can't take much credit for that one: Irritability is one of the symptoms of a concussion. There are others that I didn't list, but I left irritability in for the humor: Yeah, fall off a cliff and dislocate your shoulder, and you just might be irritable! ROFL!



The Dr. Zogs sex wax is a real product (surfboard wax) and quite popular among surfers, so those sort of jokes are seen a lot among real surfers, especially when encountering non-surfers.

Ummm, actually, I got "zinged" just like Trevor did, by a Dr. Zogs joke, the first time I went surfing.
That's what made me think of it for the story.



Thanks! I was wondering if that worked. I was trying to do just that, for misdirection, while what he was actually hiding was that he lied at the Emergency Room so Trevor would stay with him. (and therefor he had to keep quiet about his past or future, due to having "lied" about his college.).

The rainbow sticker; that's an odd twist, because it's one I never intended! It just happened as I was writing that scene, including Jason seeing Trevor's reaction and thinking it might be a clue.
BTW, one very difficult thing about writing this story: Both of my characters have vastly better gaydar than I do! So, I had to make some guesses on what the less-oblivious would detect.



Regarding commas... My usual rule, when unsure (which is often) is to speak the line out loud, and see how it sounds best to my ear. Thank you for your input on this, Kevin!

Kevin, thank you so much for your post!

Hey CJ,

I really have fallen for your Anthology. It really flowed and I'm terrible at short stories I think they're way more difficult to write than continuing novels.

The two characters were cute and they were both cute and innocent. A happy ending to a summer romance is what people desire right? The "up-beat" personality of Trevor made him so likable. I can't help wondering - after meeting you if Trevor's up-beat personality is how you go about living??

Anyway! I cannot wait to read any other things you post because I have liked what I've read so far.

CJ's a goat! But yes, he's very upbeat for a goat!

Did you meet CJ???

Hugs,
Conner

Oh, no not in person, but he was the first person to e-mail me on here.

Krista

Hey CJ, it's taken me way too long to comment. I really liked the story. As for the commas, I liked it the way it was as opposed to putting less of them.

I hate surfing with a passion, but all my friends at school are surfers, so I know exactly what you were talking about.

Krista, thank you!
I found it very difficult to stick to the short story format, but it was a challenge that I really enjoyed.
I do have an upbeat personality most of the time, good call! I had no idea that any of me would show through like that. I'd have never made the connection!



Howdy, Goat!

Krista, Connor and I both have Goats for avatars, and tease each other incessantly about them. That, plus at least one of us is insane (and no one has ever accused me of being sane!).



Thanks, Matt!! I've been perplexed on the commas issue, as I've been getting feedback both ways on that.

You live in Hawaii and hate surfing?

I guess I can admit this here on GA: One of my prime reasons for starting to surf was to check out all the hot surfers! I grew to love surfing after a while, but it sure wasn't my main motive at first. And that in itself is really rather weird, when one considers the fact that I was even in the closet to myself at that time! (In denial). Yet, there I was, Mr. can't be gay, taking up a sport so I could hang around hot guys!

Thank you!
Your advice on letting the story unfold on it's own was instrumental, and it's very unlikely that I'd have ever been able to write this story without it.



I did allude to why Jason was traveling with so little: he had lied about traveling (in order to stay with Trevor that first night), and was only minutes from home. (at UCSB). Hence, he had nothing with him, and due to being from close by avoided mentioning his past, both of which Trevor noticed and wondered about. I did originally have that as part of the "discovery" conversation at the end, but I deleted it when i was looking for things to reduce the word count. At one point I was pushing 15,000 words and as it was I was I still ended up a hundred over the 10,000 guideline.

There was also, originally, an entire second day before their "discovery", where they went on a surfing safari. That was the biggest thing I cut.

But, I'm going to do a re-write, probably multi-chapter, and expand on a lot of this and fix a few errors too. I'm also very curious as to what happens at college: where exactly does Jason live? Will he and Trevor move in together? How do Trevor's parents react? I also think it would be a good lead-in for a college-themed situation I had in mind as a story plot, and Trevor and Jason would make great characters for it. So, I think I'm set for a second multi-chapter story, after I finish the one I have underway. Actually, I'll probably work on both as I like taking a break from one thing to work on another.



Thank you so much!!
One thing I need to mention about the sex scene: Part of one line (the part in parenthesis) was NOT mine. It's my favorite line of the story, too;


The part in parenthesis that I'm referring to wasn't mine; it was created and added by Emoe during editing, and I loved it!
(Thank you Emoe, for this, and all that you did! )

Rob, thank you, You have made my day! And I'll definitely be posting stories in the near future.
CJ

HI
I fully agree with RHawes16. James you wrote a great short story. Please go on and tell us the follow up of the 2 friends in College. I also can wait to read more from you in the future. Dont be shy, you are a geat author and you can do more
Old Bob

Bob, thank you!!

I will be re-writing the story, turning it into a multi-chapter with the present story re-written (to include some things I had to delete for size) as the first two chapters.

I'll be posting a different multi-chapter story before that, though.

Great story CJ!

For two seasons I worked in a surf village right at the toe of Cornwall (one of the few places you can in the UK) and love road trips.

The description of the wax took me right back ... mmm, in fact I can smell it as I write... Neatly you skipped over the freezing cold mornings, and sand, sand in every orifice - which is why I migrated to skating. I hate leashes too - all well and good for protecting others, but when your board slaps you in the face...

The only thing you didn’t describe was the sound of a VW van’s sliding door – really evocative (as is the sounds of the engine) and takes me right back I drove one with my arm in a cast for three months… Fun!

The story flowed well, and was totally believable. The sex was an intrinsic part of the overall mood and fitted in seamlessly.

If this really is your first piece of fiction then we are all in for a treat, and I’m super glad we’re gonna hear more from Trevor and Jason.

Camy

Thank you Camy!!

Yep, the water in California isn't all that warm, and the sand sure does get everywhere!

I'll remember to add that bit about the van door and the engine, too. Thanks!

I originally had Trev and Jase spending a day surfing (between the Hearst castle day and their "discoveries" that night), but had to cut that day due to being over-length as it was. I'll be adding that, and more, back in.
In that deleted scene, I do cover the surprise so many first-time surfers encounter: nipples rubbed raw!
That wax can be a lot like sandpaper, and when I first started surfing I'd be darn sore for days.

This wasn't quite my first attempt at writing fiction, but it's the first I've completed. I did put together a few rough chapters of a story a few years ago, but then stopped. I'm presently re-writing it (It was horrible) and I'll start posting chapters to e-fiction soon. I'm definitely hooked on online writing now!

I will probably work on the multi-chapter version of "No shirt? No problem!" at the same time, so I may be posting chapters of both before long. Speaking of hearing more, Camy, I'd love to see more of "Millrace" <hint, hint>.

I never noticed the overusage of commas. I just read...not that concerned with grammar. ^^

I know...I told you I would read your story, but I forgot and I just remembered when I got in this forum. Forgive me you old goat.

My first thought...I could just shoot you for overpromoting California. It's overrated...meh. I can't help being loyal to the East Coast.


I enjoyed it alright, though I do think they moved on so quickly and jumped in bed in few days. But I'll forgive you since it has to be everything in one chapter. *grins*

Hi, Jack!
Thanks for reading, even if it took ya a few days.. I think I can forgive ya..
Seriously, thanks for reading and commenting.

I had to go with somewhere I was familiar with, and I grew up in that area. I could have set it in Florida (the only Eastern-seaboard state that I have spent enough time in), but that would have made the sea-side cliff-climbing a bit problematic.

I don't disagree at all about California being over-rated: I moved to Arizona because I no longer wanted to live there any longer.

The "jumping in bed" part was kinda quick, I agree. I didn't plan it that way. I originally had them just making out a little, but I couldn't get the scene to work. I had a deep-seated fear of trying to write a sex scene, but the story just seemed to keep pushing that way, so I said "what the heck" and wrote it.

Well...if I have to choose between Arizona and California, I would pick CA...recultantly since beyond Phoenix, it's all desert and light brown colored plateaus...if I am not mistaken. Besides, I wouldn't tolerate a 110+ heat very well.

Well, That's stereotypical Arizona, but most people don't know that over half of the state isn't like that.
Much of Arizona is high-altitude, which drastically affects the climate. For example, I live at just over 7000 ft, on a mountainside covered by a Ponderosa Pine forest. In winter, I get snowed in a lot, often with drifts in excess of 10ft. It's presently 4pm, and 68 degrees outside.

As for Phoenix, I couldn't agree more! I lived there for a few years, and 110 is not even a hot day! Also, that bit about "It's a dry heat"? That's a lie! Once you get past July 1st, it gets humid. So, yes, you can get it 120 degrees and very humid. (I had to go to Phoenix a couple of weeks ago, and it did exactly that in some parts of the city, even though the official temp was only 118.)

I will say this, though: the scenery in Phoenix can be spectacular. (plenty of hot looking guys who decide to take off their shirts. ). But, other than that, I couldn't wait to get out of that oven!

I love the desert in winter, though. I'm into 4-wheeling, and there are some truly spectacular trails.

Oh I know it can snow there in the higher elevations. I am not that stereotypical.

And I do not really buy "it's dry heat"...it's hot to feel 120..especially if you're under the sun, even without the humidity.

Anyway...I guess we're too off-topic. :S

The whole "it's a dry heat" thing is a running joke in Phoenix. It was thought up by the chamber of commerce for a tourism campaign, but considering the fact that it's usually humid after around July 4th (so, for the majority of the summer) it's misleading at best, and downright cruel at worst.

And to me, anything over 100 feel hot, especially when out in the sun. That's why I moved to the high country, to get away from the heat.



Off topic? That's hardly unusual in a GA thread.

As an editor, I find the hardest part of the job is to 'hear' the voice of the author and follow what they are trying to say with a passage. I use the same trick of reading a passage out loud when I need to find the author's desired path through the story. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong - but it is always the author’s final decision as to what gets published. I'm just happy to help where I can and it would be much easier for me if I could talk with CJ or DK or BW to learn their speech patterns since most people write the way they talk but such is the nature of the Internet.



CJ lives off-topic!

Emoe did a FANTASTIC job, and put in one heck of a lot of work! He even added a few lines, including my favorite of the entire story.

I did make several revisions after he had worked on it, and also I didn't accept all the edits. (as I say in the story postscript, all remaining errors are mine and mine alone! That's the one bit of "credit" for the story that I am NOT willing to share!).
Also, I'm overly fond of commas (Emoe did remove quite a few).

Emoe, If you and I meet in person (which I would like!), I'd ask that you DON'T try and use my speech patterns! If you think I'm bad for long, overly complex sentences in print, I'm much worse in person!



Topics? what are those?

One of the things I like about the Internet is the ability to converse with people of similar interest – even if in real life you’d pass each other on the street and think nothing of it. I’d consider it an honor to meet you in person. Should I ever make it back to the Arizona or you have a return visit to Florida – it just might happen!

I hope it does, Emoe! I would love to meet you. I'd also love the chance to buy you lunch. I might be in Florida next year, BTW, as I'm planning a few days there (including close enough (Daytona) to stop in Jacksonville) on my way back from South America and points south.

An explanation is in order for you to understand this, so, here I go...

I'm a "visual" person, that means that I "see" the "scenes" of anything I read, and this also happens with music, though with instrumental music it tends to be more "nature scene" oriented; in the back of my mind, however, I "see" colors, it doesn't matter if I'm reading, listening, or even smelling something, there's always a "backdrop" color there.

With this is mind:

I loved the story, Trevor's free-spirit gave me a really nice and lively green, I saw his flashback fights with his parents in black and white (as I usually see all flashbacks, which is good), sand yellow enveloped everything when I read he was in Arizona, and it gradually changed to more and more green the closer he went on to California, however, once he reached the sea, an explossion of blue surrounded it all, a really nice blue, the kind you see on the sky when you're on the beach and there's not even a single cloud in the sky, really beautiful, from that point onwards the backdrop changed as it usually "tries" to fit in with the "wall color" on urban scenes (yeah, I know, I need therapy...).

Anyway, loved the story and I think it would be a great Pilot/Prologue to a more long multi-chapter story (as it was already discussed).



Michel.

Hey you, Jack Frost, you got it wrong! I'm the old goat around here! I've earned it and no one's gonna take that away from me!

CJ's the Kidd-goat.

Living at 7,000 ft., he's also the mountain goat. I'm more of a valley goat...the air is easier to breath. I only do mountains when there's a gondola. Arizona doesn't have gondolas. They tend to melt.

CJ taught me how to be Thanks, CJ!

Hugs,
Conner

i can just get my gun and you'll be no longer the oldest goat around here.

Wow, thank you, Michel!
I grew up in the area where most of the story takes place, so for me it was a bit like going home again. Thanks especially for your mention of colors; that's something I am playing around with a bit in the next chapter.

Yeah, you also get a lot of glare and UV at high altitudes, hence the shades...

So, a Valley goat, are ya? Humph, flatlanders....


Topics? what are those?

Psssst, Jack, just be sure you shoot the right Goat, and not the one wearing shades!

pfff its not that hard to tell...you're black, he's white.


but tell me, are you planning on continuing the story into chapters or you already have something different in plan now?

I have a couple of other multi-chapter stories that I'm working on, but this one is being continued in chapters. Basically, the current story will be "chapter 1". I was originally going to re-write it and add in a full day surfing that I deleted for size reasons, but then I realized that it would work just as well for chapter 2, so that's where it will be.

I thought this was a great story. I'm looking forward to the series.

Thank you Jay!! And congratulations on your 100th post, too!

My sincere thanks to everyone who has commented on my story, here or elsewhere. I've been overwhelmed by the responses, and I'm now officially hooked!

Thanks again everyone!

CJ

Kudos for the courage to write a short story first time out! A multi-part story would have been an easier first step, but no way would you have gotten the response this story drew. Commenting on chapter 1 of a multi can be a bit like critiquing a chess match after the opening move. You can tell if it's awful; otherwise, there isn't much to say. A conundrum for budding writers

My favorite scene in this story is Trevor's realization that he's sitting there at Rincon, having struggled and schemed for weeks to get there, and boredom threatens. I've been there . But then he does something about it! We find out later that Jason did most of the heavy lifting, but Trevor exercised more courage and initiative than many of us would do. Yay Trevor!

Your "strange, sweet smell" faked me out. I was thinking, "Aww, the innocence of youth in Arizona". Mary Jane of course

Jason's fall, and his reluctance to call attention to it, rang true. California's soft sandstone cliffs and poor judgement combine to yield annually a few deaths, lots of serious injury and dozens of embarrasing rescues. .

BTW, We don't all surf in Hawaii (or Thailand) .

Hi Knotme!


Thanks! I was exceedingly nervous about this, but I had a blast, and I'm hooked!



I've done much the same (finaly gotten somewhere, and then realized: "What now?")

BTW, the actions of Trevor and Jason were one of the sub-themes of the story: Take a chance.



I used to surf Rincon and the beaches in the area (I grew up near there) so I've seen quite a few accidents and rescues, and I know that the penalties and fines for climbing those bluffs are really steep. Many are worse than sandstone, they are clay aggregate (basically, hard clay dirt with some rock). Some of the ones near Rincon are like that.

I was hoping the "strange, sweet smell" would fake people out. Part of what I was trying for with that and Jason's reluctance to have an ambulance, plus his reluctance to talk about his past was to make people wonder about drugs, at first. Plus, I've seen surfers play the "Sex wax" joke plenty of times, so it just seemed to fit.

Thanks very much for the comments!
C J

I am SO happy to see the great comments you are getting on "No Shirt? No Problem!"!!! You did a GREAT job writing the story and am looking forward to reading the extended version.

Hugs,
Eddy

Thank you Eddy! I'm working on it! I have been overwhelmed by the comments! My deepest thanks to you and everyone!

CJ

Hey CJ
we are Monday the 11th. I suppose you are on vacation. Have you time to write ?

Old Bob

Hi Bob!!

I wasn't on vacation for as long as I thought, and didn't get any writing time, but I have been working on the extended version of NSNP, plus two different multi-chapter stories. I need quite a few chapters finished so I can avoid long waits between chapters when I post them, but I'm nearly there.

Thanks!
CJ

Okay, I'm coming in very late, but my excuse is that I'm still a relatively new member....

I read the story last night and I was very impressed. You should be very proud. It's a lot better than my first attempt at writing.

The thing that impressed me the most, though, was something that hasn't been mentioned. You had the first guy Trevor met turn out to be gay, which normally would annoy me as totally unrealistic BUT you did it in a way that made it realistic. It wasn't chance, but was just a case of one guy spotting another nodding at a rainbow sticker, and guessing that he might be gay. While the whole story was great, the way you avoided that particular cliche stood out to me. It's the mark of someone with talent that you can move beyond the typical.

As for commas... my editor still has buckets of them from my early work. He's finally starting to use them by putting them back into my latest chapters. It's taking me time, but I'm starting to learn some grammar rules.

Well done!

Graeme, THANK YOU!

To be honest, I don't think I gave conscious thought to avoiding cliches. I hadn't done enough research, then, to realize that there were so many "gay writing cliches".

Due to the nature of a short story (in needs to be, well, short. ) I didn't have a lot of room for extra characters. I knew I wanted them to meet at the beach, and I was writing "freestyle" (just making it up as I went, mainly) and it just came out that way.

I had a blast with it, and I've been overwhelmed by the response. I'm now 100% hooked on writing, and have several stories underway (and soon to be in e-fiction here at GA) including a continuation of this one.

Thanks Graeme, you made my day.
CJ

First off, I loved your story. Jason and Trevor are just too funny.




Yay for breaking down stereotypes.

I live in Az too, so I'm always hearing "how can you live there...it must be hot as hell.". Well, I live in the northern part, so yeah, it's not that bad.

Hi Kara!!!
Thank you!!!!! I'll be posting a new story in a few weeks, plus Jason and Trevor are the main characters in the continuation of "No Shirt", which I'm also working on.

Wow, a fellow Northern Arizonan! I lived in Phoenix for ten years before heading up to the mountains, and the climate where I'm at is about the same as Flagstaff: LOTS of winter snow. I had my first hard freeze this week, so winter is on it's way.

I just read your story. I loved it. When I saw 'The End' I could have wrung your neck! lol I was kind of hoping to see a to be continued... I didn't notice anything in the way of grammar or sentence structure problems. You covered a lot of detail in a very short amount of time, but it didn't seem like you were force feeding it to me either. I thought it flowed great, and only left wanting to know more about their future. I liked the instant comradare that seems to bind the closest of friends. Sometimes things just 'click' and you gave me this impression between Jase and Trev.

If there had been a 2nd or 7th chapter I know I would have continued reading until there wasn't anything left.

If you have more stuff out there, I'd sure like to see it!

Thanks for the story!

Take care!

THANK YOU!!!!!!!

Well, guess what, it is being continued. There is a multi-chapter continuation underway, starting roughly where the short story leaves off. I'm about three chapters into it so far, but want to finish a little more (maybe one more chapter) so I can do a consistency check and pre-edit before sending it to my Editor. I hope to have it online here soon.

As for any other stuff I have out there: I just sent in an anthology submission, and if it's accepted "The Muse" will be in the Fall anthology. I will warn everyone though, it's nothing like "No Shirt, No Problem" in any way.