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Hey Guys. I wanted to start a forum for this story, as it starts to take some twists and turns that may need to be discussed. While I'm added I feel i need to address the comments here and leave them for public discussion if possible. Thanks everyone for reading. I enjoy all the comments, and I just want to make sure everything is clear here.

 

This chapter was riveting, like all the others. Despite the dramatic irony -- after all, the audience knows so well that Marshall sent his son to the conversion facility -- I feel that some kind of resolution is coming soon.

Jeff needs to put the pieces together and be brave enough to accuse Marshall publicly (in the hospital, maybe? but definitely with Thomas) of his plot -- of tricking Bryan and Thomas each to think the other wanted Bryan to go to the facility, and of intercepting mail to keep them both in the dark.

A couple of final comments: "doctors" employing any kind of electroshock therapy or facilitating the use of physical abuse (whether they call it a "treatment" or not) for the purpose of sexual reorientation deserve to have their licenses revoked -- or better yet, should be charged with a crime and imprisoned.

Dr. Hamilton isn't being a good doctor either; blinded by his certainty in his correctness, he's throwing informed consent out the door and is consistently ignoring the wishes of his patient. A court would find that Bryan has the mental capacity to decide, and whatever Marianne and Marshall (or, for that matter, Jeff and Thomas) want for him is irrelevant.

 

- Speaking as a premed

At the moment everything is speculation, and there really aren't any clear cut facts save for Bryan saying that he was sent away to the Orr foundation. Another thing we know for sure is that Bryan is not mentally stable at the moment. He can't remember where he is from hour to hour sometimes, let alone coherently do a mundane task such as figure out what to wear. I'm not certain a judge at this moment would think he was capable of making his own decisions.

 

As for Dr. Hamiliton, IT's important not to villianize him, he's just doing his job. His actions may not be sound, and we may not like his bedside manner but he's just doing what he was brought in to do. and that was diagnose the problem as he sees it.

 

And as for the doctors at the facility, For the moment that is an opinion...a true one no doubt, but again there isn't enough information as of yet to do anything. Bryan's word as it is, is very suspect and the adults especially marshall aren't talking. All will be figured out and investigated as the story progresses. as of now,l the first nine chapters are focused on figuring out what's wrong with bryan. Everyone has an opinion about how to help him, and what's best for him. Who's right? Who's wrong? Only time will tell.

 

 

 

 

Obviously Marianne and Dr. Hamilton are in Marshall's pocket. What's going on there? I know where Marshall is coming from and he should be shot.

 

Jeff is right in that the best thing right now is to get Brian out of the hospital before they do the surgery tomorrow. Then they can look at the rest of the stuff going on.

Dr. Hamilton is just doing his job. He was brought in as a specialist by Dr. Wilkerson. Yes he may be a little cold, his methods may be less then ideal...but he is just doing his job and he is not emotionally attached to anyone. Marshall is a parent, Marianne is a parent...are they making the right choices or decisions regarding their son? Only time will tell, but neither are villians here either. They're parents who have been thrust right into this uncertain place because they don't know what's wrong with Bryan. Again, we know from Bryan that his family sent him somewhere...but it's really all we know

 

And as for Jeff, I think the idea that Jeff has all the answers may be a bit premature and over romantic. Jeff is acting on pure emotions, his idea comes from a place of him wanting to give Bryan what he wants (which is freedom from the hospital) that doesn't necessarily mean it's the right thing to do. Jeff could be making a big mistake. It's important to keep that in mind. His opinion is just that; an opinion. And on that note...he's not a doctor lol

 

 

I'm beginning to get mad at the unbelievability of the current developments. Dr. Hamilton is a mandatory reporter and there are obvious signs of dependent if not child abuse. Someone needs to question Marshall because he's obviously the person who has the answers, and Bryan's mom is still suspect.

 

I know that you said that the road was long but the blatant negligence that's occurring on Dr. Hamilton's part and the lack of anger on Thomas' part don't strike me as true to life.

 

 

That being said, I'm still incredibly interested in your story (and it is YOUR story). Please take my opinion for what it is. An opinion.

I'm not sure what signs of dependency or child abuse you are seeing, but i will address this first. Bryan has been in the hospital for at least three weeks, four ? the first thing they would have done upon examination was question child abuse. I think it's safe to assume, since we know that medical professionals are required by law to report such things, that Bryan is not being abused by his family. they would have already made that determination.

 

Jeff and Thomas don't trust Marshall...that's their opinion. a biased one on Thomas' part. That doesn't immediately mean that Marshall is guilty of anything. Marianne on the other hand may be the most clueless in the group. she was comatose when some of these events took place she doesn't have a clear understanding of what happened to her son last year. she knows what she was told. That her son was sent away willingly to rehab. Now he's sick and she doesn't know how to help him. As for Thomas i wouldn't necessarily say he isn't upset or angry about what's going on. But again do we really know what's going on completely ? Bryan said something, but bryan says a lot of things and more often than not doesn't make sense. Just something to think about :)

 

Also it's also important to remember that we're seeing some of these events through the eyes of someone who has a great fear of hospitals and doctors.

 

 

This was such an emotional chapter. Well, they all are actually.

 

I'm sure the mail and the letters sent and received by the Orr Foundation have been tampered with. They probably send out their standard letter to the parents and write replys from the parents and throw out all the originals.

 

Dr. Hamilton is an ass and he and Marhsall (and Marianne, now that I think about it) should jump off a cliff. What's with Marianne anyway? She's not married to this ass Marshall; she's married to Thomas. Thomas is Bryan's father in all sense of the word. Marhsall should have NO say in what happens to Bryan.

 

I was shouting at the screen; I was so happy for Jeff for standing up for Bryan! And did either of those adults (Bryan's parents and Marshall the Maggot) catch it when Jeff said they didn't approve of Bryan being gay but then they turned around and took in a gay man and treated him like part of the family? I think that went totally over their heads.

 

I think Jeff should research swelling of the brain and see if surgery is the only option. But maybe Jeff is right and Bryan should be whisked far, far away from there. Certainly far away from Marianne and so far away from Marshall the Maggot, he'll never have to see him again.

 

 

Okay, Bryan has three parents. his biological; Marianne and Marshall, and the man who adopted him; THomas. All three of them are concerned for their son's well being. Marshall's behavior may be suspect, but it';s important to realize Bryan's not afraid of him Bryan's reaction in chapter seven was because of the memories his presence evoked. Doesn't mean that Bryan doesn't care for Marshall.

 

okay that being said, I think for the moment its important not to villianize anyone. Even if Marshall took Bryan to the facility, it's too early to think he knew what went on there and that he tampered with mail. we'll learn what happened to the mail...in time

 

as for Jeff, he has an opinion on the subject just as well as the others do. doesn't mean his opinion or his plan is actually sound. it could be detrimental to Bryan's recovery. only time will tell :P

 

 

Why that idiot doctor listen to Marshall and agree with him? Didn't he see how Bryan feel

when Marshall in the room.

I wish Jeff and Thomas kidnap Bryan from the hospital and start looking out what really

happen with Bryan.

 

Can't wait for next chapter.. Posted Image

Dr. Hamilton is just rendering a diagnosis as he sees fit. Bryan was agitated and the doctor did what he needed to do to keep him from being a harm to himself or to the staff. Sedation exists for a reason, it's there to help the patients not hurt them. Though as far as Bryan is concerned doctors and hospitals are evil. As for Jeff and Thomas' idea to whisk Bryan away...it's yet to be seen if that is a good idea or not.

 

 

Okay, I'm going to keep my medical opinion to myself, but come on. They have to see what is going on. Even without Bryan spelling it out for them they should be able to put 2 and 2 together and add it up.

i know Jeff is worried and wants what is best for Bryan but doing what makes Bryan happy might not be the best decision reguarding his health. His injuries are serious and life threatening, stealing him (aka rescue attempt) because he's scared might not be the best solution. (Ooopsie medical opn is starting to slip in there) Posted Image

Intense chapter, can't wait for more!

It's going to take a while before we see the clear picture i think. Bryan's the only person who can impart that wisdom and he's not in the right frame of mind to do it just yet. I agree Jeff may be worried about Bryan but his decisions, his choices may not be what's best for him. I actually wrote a lot of this with a nurse, and tried to be medically accurate to the situation. Key word tried :P

 

thanks everyone for the comments, and I hope you all will continue to read as this tangled mess gets sorted out. I know there is an aspect of Romance in the story, but it is not a romance. Jeff's purely emotional decisions could hurt bryan more than help him. That's important to realize here. Things are about to shift into a different direction here so stay tuned for leg two of Bryan's journey

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Well I just read your last chapter today, sorry Jammi that I'm a little behind. I hope you know where you're going with this. TW is a very interesting story but wheeew it is a big subject to tackle. Not only taking on the "Ex-Gay" Organization but you're course of medical treatment for Bryan is very controversial.

 

You really aren't holding back in this story, I like that Posted Image I don't know if I agree with everything **cough-nurse-cough** ;) But I'm not narrowminded enough to think there are not homeopathic alterantives for treatment... But I would love to read the case study on Bryan afterwards if he was a real patient.

 

Looking forward to the next chapter

 

KC

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