MythBuster - Does the captain always go down w the ship?

[hh5]

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Korean ship MV Sewol may have hit a rock like the costa concordia but this one is a pure accident

 

9 are dead n 287 are missing out of 477

The South Korean ship sank below the water in four hours (sounds like the titanic)

 

300 of them are High School students on a field trip plus 15 teachers

 

the bad thing ... no one used the life boats or rafts or anything

 

the crew ordered the passengers to stay put when the ship hit the object (rocKs)

 

 

According to google maps ... the ship took a shortcut to make up for the delay rather than its regular route

 

looking at the geology of the area, I would not take a shortcut unless I had sonar and gps following a regularly traveled shortcut route

 the area looks dangerous and the rough weather they have there would be unwise to travel a dangerous route

 

the open sea is safer ... rather than trying to save 1hr to 1.5hrs 

 

 

The Sewol was to have left Incheon at 6:30 p.m. and arrived on Jeju at 8 a.m. the following day, but thick fog delayed its departure until 9 p.m. This raises the suspicion that the captain opted to take a shortcut through the islands to save time.

 

A back-up captain was apparently operating the ferry since the regular one was on vacation. Investigators must find out whether the decision to take this particular route and the back-up captain’s possible lack of experience had anything to do with the accident.

 

 

In 1993, the Seohae ferry sank, and 292 of the 362 passengers on board perished. (Additional reporting by Ju-Min Park, Choonsik Yoo, Meeyoung Cho and James Pearson in SEOUL and Jonathan Saul in LONDON; Writing by Jack Kim and Mike Collett-White; Editing by Robert Birsel and Mike Collett-White)

 

 

It seems that a lesson was not learned.  Safety n lifeboat drills not followed as like the costa concordia and Seohae ferry.

 

gosh I remember riding the circle line ferry boat ... very lax safety drill ... but at least I did notice where the life preservers and life boats where.

 

The Captain of the Korean ship and the Costa Concordia didn't go down with their ships

No info on Seohae ferry captain.

 

Gosh if you where on a sinking ship would you stay put (stupid orders by the crew)  (the same as costa concordia)

common sense says abandon ship!!!

especially if the captain n crew makes a get away

 

Do you think the myth is busted?

Edited April 17, 2014 by hh5

[Bumblebee]

As far as I know of not many captains go down with their ship, but I could be wrong.

[Bill W]

Throughout history, many captains have gone down with the ship.  However, probably just as many ignored the precedent and felt their life more valuable than the rest of the passengers and crew.  However, what took place on this ship sounds horrific and irresponsible.  Changing course into uncharted waters, ordering passengers to stay put and not abandon ship.  From what I've seen, sounds like a good case for criminal prosecution and lawsuits, not that they'll be adequate compensation or replacement for the lost loved ones.  

[hh5]

The backup korean captain wasn't at the helm, the 3rd mate was

 

28 dead (19 dead at the cafeteria) 270 missing

Air is now being pumped into the ship (gosh like 36 hrs too late)

One crane is coming friday, two others coming saturday - the plan is to raise the ship

 

[hh5]

can they really raise this ship?

[Thorn Wilde]

I saw a post on Tumblr with texts that people on the ship have been sending to loved ones. Almost made me cry.

[hh5]

I saw similar posts where a younger bro is contacting his older bro and the exchange is missing the point of whats really happening

But the ships internet cuts out rendering this brotherly exchange incomplete

Had the older bro knew what was really happening then the advise would have been different

 

The vice-principal of a South Korean high school who accompanied hundreds of pupils on a ferry that capsized has committed suicide, police said on Friday, as hopes faded of finding any of the 274 missing alive.

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Kang Min-gyu, 52, had been missing since Thursday. He appeared to have hanged himself with his belt from a tree outside a gym in the port city of Jindo where relatives of the people missing on the ship, mostly children from the school, were gathered.

 

Police said Kang did not leave a suicide note and that they had started looking for him after he was reported missing by a fellow teacher. He was rescued from the ferry after it capsized.

 

 

In the USA this would not happen ie: In alabama a principal used media without realizing the consequences of his actions that led to the suicide of a streaking student. The principal still working and the family doesn't blame the principal. However the public around the country has varying opinions depending what distorted view of the news they received. The tv network cease publishing the story to escape liability for airing the hash opinion of the principal citing legal advice for which he is not an expert in.

 

This korean incident is a harsh example of hierarchy in social respect of elders vs Independent nature and social disrespect that we have in the usa.

ie: the breakdown of the ships command to safeguard the teens while the teachers not guiding the students in ship emergency

    the lack of independent of self preservation

if this happen outside the asian community we can guess how many ppl will be running to the life boats n rafts and saving themselves where the crew failed to safe guard. ie: costa concordia

[Celethiel]

Andrea Doria, 1956... The captian didn't just Not go down with the ship, but abandoned it before hardly any of the passengers were evacuated...

Other ship captains who came to the rescue, including the injured Stockolm were NOT impressed...

[hh5]

oh now the news tells us of a female crewmember who done heroic acts .. she saved at least 50 ppl out of the 175 ppl before she died on board

at least 11 crew n captain are charged for the accident

 

sounds like if yer going to abandon ship ... run away before the police n press find you

 

its shocking that a high school student called for help 3 min before the ship crew did

Edited April 24, 2014 by hh5

[W_L]

Makes me sad; I heard of the floating bodies trapped inside their cabins.

 

Also, the news is that the Captain and Crew are likely to face criminal negligence charges, not murder or manslaughter.

 

Personally, I think it's a disgraceful act for a captain to not first attempt to save the passengers or at least allow them to reach the upper deck, so they can try to swim, prior to departing the ship. To not aid passengers, who place their lives and futures in your hand, many of whom were high school students, it says a lot about a person.

 

Another important piece of news is a rumor I heard from Chinese news that the ship had been operating under the specified regulated amount of lifeboats and had gone over their total allowed tonnage. Not sure how much of that is true, I would be really surprise to hear that any dock inspector would allow any ship to set sail under such conditions.

Edited April 25, 2014 by W_L

[JamesSavik]

While the captain isn't required to go down with his ship, he is expected to rally his crew to abandon the ship in an orderly manner.

 

If he screwed up in a significant way, as this one apparently did, he might wish that he had gone down with the ship.

[Y_B]

Captain Kirk senior went down with USS Kelvin

[Celethiel]

Captain Kirk senior went down with USS Kelvin

Kirk Junior didn't go down with his ship, the USS Enterprise

[W_L]

Kirk Junior didn't go down with his ship, the USS Enterprise

He blew it up

[Celethiel]

He blew it up

i know

[hh5]

@StarTrek ... he's teaching the klingon to count 5...4...3...2...1

I wonder if human dialect hurts at zero???

 

@ferry

They tested a sister ship and not all of its life rafts worked ... lots of cargo not tied down ,,, cars not tied down

 

Its no wonder why a major accident is waiting to happen ... and the young paid the price

Edited April 25, 2014 by hh5

[hh5]

another rose n jack dawson :-(

SEOUL: A boy and girl trapped in a sinking South Korean ferry with hundreds of other high school students tied their life jacket cords together, a diver who recovered their bodies said, presumably so they wouldn't float apart. 

 

The diver said he had to separate the two because he could not carry two corpses up to the surface at the same time. 

 

"I started to cry thinking that they didn't want to leave each other," he told the Kyunghyang Shinmun newspaper on the island of Jindo on Thursday, near where the overloaded ferry went down last week. 

 

The parents of the boy whose shaking voice first raised the alarm that an overloaded ferry was sinking believe his body has also been found, the coastguard said. 

 

 

[Kitt]

In reference to the suicide of the high school principal after having been one of the rescued, hh5 said

In the USA this would not happen

There is much more to something like this than social responsibility issues, and you can't guess what survivor guilt will do in every case. 

[hh5]

The thing about the ship industry in korea seems to show that ships do regularly overload the cargo weight and not strap them down

The records don't help because the crew or the company alters the records when needed to avoid charges

They found out in the last hour of the sinking the crew altered the weight records of the cargo

 

What they said about this overloaded ferry was that this is not the only company that does this.

So this Titanic is going to call for more safety for passengers.

[Celethiel]

urg! stop calling it that!

This Accident was nothing like what happened to the Titanic, there aren't any parallels at all... to call it Titanic-like is to make it far more sensational than it actually is

[hh5]

Titanic is being used to mean that something was headed for doom and big lost of life before ppl would see changes that would come come one day.

 

Cameron calls the earth the next Titanic (The rich will survive and the common person will perish) but he doesn't need to mean that the earth will hit an iceberg or sink 3 miles but there would be catastrophic lost of life.

 

the news was initially calling this Ferry accident just like the Titanic because it was initially thought it struck a rock much like an iceberg but a rock that doesn't melt nor move but remained hidden from view from a racing ship driven by an inexperience 3rd mate ... then later it turns out it was about loose cargo and a whole can of worms ... Titanic company was never convicted of liability or crime but the ferry company going to disappear into history

 

The Ferry was about the tragic lost of a lot of lives ... thus 260/470(56%) died is close to the Titanic s 1500/2224(68%)

 

Titanic was also about ignoring evolving safety protocols for such large vessels of its kind ... well this Korean company is evolving to prove how negligent they are to ppl safety. But this ship is much smaller than Titanic

 

I wonder if the Japanese company ever told this company that this ship sinks on certain conditions?? I bet the Koreans won't buy this ship ever again. OK almost every one of white star ship sunk except the QE1.

 

Titanic was also about not using all of its safety equipment ... the Life boats ... in this ferry accident barely one life boat was deployed but no one was on it, the news never talks about who was on the boat ... on titanic 20/20 were used but barely 1/2 filled to capacity.

 

This ferry accident was about the tragic lost of life

children lives 253/300 (85%) ... teachers ?? (85%) crew 7/29 (25%) ... on titanic 56/112 (50%) children  ... Adults 65% ... crew 703/918 (77%)

 

Can we say the costa concordia was like Titanic ... well it did strike a rock and it was about a captain that was trying to win a bet or show off but there wasn't much of a lost of life and we're lucky that 1/2 lifeboats was used and other forms of help got ppl off the sinking ship.

 

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Korean captain and crew abandon's ship in their underwear to confuse the coast guard of the difference between passenger and crew. Korean Coast Guard is outraged and embarrassed but they never noticed the crew wore the same colored styled underwear??

 

Costa Concordia captain abandoning ship while lying to the coast guard

 

urg! stop calling it that!

This Accident was nothing like what happened to the Titanic, there aren't any parallels at all... to call it Titanic-like is to make it far more sensational than it actually is

Edited May 9, 2014 by hh5