Drew Espinosa Posted April 28, 2017 Author Share Posted April 28, 2017 Just now, Bucket1 said: Constantly wearing a t-shirt saying "I'm a homo and I love Liam" would be a good start Team Alek's new t-shirt! 5 Link to comment
Popular Post Timothy M. Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 On 4/28/2017 at 4:30 AM, LitLover said: I'm also curious what other readers think Alek needs to do to be "out" in their eyes. Inviting Liam, Corey, Jason, Bryce, and Nathan to watch one of his hockey matches and not flinching or looking around furtively when they say words like boyfriend or share a quick kiss. Standing up to any teammates who start saying abusive stuff, and if they ask Alek should admit he's gay himself and Liam used to be his boyfriend. That would do it for starters. I also noticed Alek didn't put off the flirty customer by saying he wasn't gay, which to me shows he's serious about being out. And he's not shy about touching Liam in public (hug, holding hands), which is cool too. 8 Link to comment
Former Member Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I’m holding out for a nation-wide, trilingual ad campaign (English, French, and Russian). Primetime CBC spots, billboards, magazines (Maclean’s and Chatelaine/Châtelaine*), and all the major newspapers. ;-) *Sorry. Those are the only Canadian magazines I know of – and the second one only because of kd lang’s song. Link to comment
Popular Post Kitt Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 The big point of contention was Alek made Liam feel like he was a "dirty little secret". Gay or straight, a significant other should feel loved and cherished, not ashamed and dirty. What does Alek need to do? IMO, he needs to simply start living his life the way he wants it. No considering what pop or mum will say before going to dinner with a flirty customer. Going where he wants for a beer after work without worrying he might be seen going into a gay bar. He doesn't need to hire a sky-writer to announce it to the world, but he can't actively be taking steps that hide it either. Like I said in the chapter comment, time to head to thinking spots. Alek needs to figure out how to stop hiding his true nature, how to break the habit of hiding. Nathan needs to decide if he really wants Liam, and if so stop playing it so safe. How many dates for coffee etc have they had and not a single kiss? If you want something (someone) get up and go for it. No one ever won a stock car race by being an also ran. Liam has the most thinking to do of all. Just what does he want a relationship.to be like? Can Alek be in that sort of relationship, or does he have more growing to do? Does Liam want to wait while Alek does his growing? What about Nathan? Can HE live the sort of life Liam wants? Every time Liam and Nathan are together a line from the Little Mermaid comes to mind. I will paraphrase to fit the situation a bit more realistically. "Go on and kiss de guy!" 8 Link to comment
Popular Post Timothy M. Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kitt said: Every time Liam and Nathan are together a line from the Little Mermaid comes to mind. I will paraphrase to fit the situation a bit more realistically. "Go on and kiss de guy!" I agree with every word of your post, Kitt. Except this last part should be Disney's Little Mermaid. Hans Christian Andersen (the Danish author of the real Den lille Havfrue) would never say such a thing - even though he supposedly liked boys as well as girls. https://satwcomic.com/costume-party Interestingly, the Danish wiki text abut the The Little Mermaid describes that HCA wrote the tale due to his unrequited love for a young man, but the English version doesn't mention this at all. I'm sure @AC Benus will be intrigued by this difference. Sorry about the post, LL. Edited April 29, 2017 by Timothy M. 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Bucket1 Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 I like the first sentence Kitt. This comes up time and time again and I think it got lost in the coming out debate. Alek has to be held to a higher standard because of his previous actions. No one should be made to feel like they are a dirty little secret Before the Team Alek police get me, he needs to do more than the average person because he hurt Liam. It might seem a bit unfair but life sucks when you hurt other people. I'm not saying he can't do it (still hope yet young Drew) but he needs to do more. Even Liam, the man who still loves Alek, knows this 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Bucket1 Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Timothy M. said: I agree with every word of your post, Kitt. Except this last part should be Disney's Little Mermaid. Hans Christian Andersen (the Danish author of the real Den lille Havfrue) would never say such a thing - even though he supposedly liked boys as well as girls. https://satwcomic.com/costume-party Interestingly, the Danish wiki text abut the The Little Mermaid describes that HCA wrote the tale due to his unrequited love for a young man, but the English version doesn't mention this at all. I'm sure @AC Benus will be intrigued by this difference. Sorry about the post, LL. On topic or not, I knew there would be a SATW comic in there somewhere Edited April 29, 2017 by Bucket1 7 Link to comment
Popular Post Timothy M. Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 11 minutes ago, Bucket1 said: On topic or not, I knew there would be a SATW comic in there somewhere you know me too well. Good point about Alek needed to go the extra mile, since he hurt Liam. And I agree with you and Kitt about the 'dirty little secret' problem. It's similar to the situation where Corey kept Jason his boyfriend secret to his mom. Jason got hurt and Corey had to make an extra effort to make amends. 7 Link to comment
Popular Post Bucket1 Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 34 minutes ago, Timothy M. said: you know me too well. Good point about Alek needed to go the extra mile, since he hurt Liam. And I agree with you and Kitt about the 'dirty little secret' problem. It's similar to the situation where Corey kept Jason his boyfriend secret to his mom. Jason got hurt and Corey had to make an extra effort to make amends. Yes on both accounts Very similar situations in terms of "going the extra mile" 6 Link to comment
Former Member Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 5 hours ago, Timothy M. said: I agree with every word of your post, Kitt. Except this last part should be Disney's Little Mermaid. Hans Christian Andersen (the Danish author of the real Den lille Havfrue) would never say such a thing - even though he supposedly liked boys as well as girls. https://satwcomic.com/costume-party Interestingly, the Danish wiki text abut the The Little Mermaid describes that HCA wrote the tale due to his unrequited love for a young man, but the English version doesn't mention this at all. I'm sure @AC Benus will be intrigued by this difference. Sorry about the post, LL. Maybe I should change my avatar to Off Topic… Do all Danes put little marks in their diaries too? ;-) Link to comment
Popular Post Drew Espinosa Posted April 29, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 12 hours ago, Timothy M. said: Inviting Liam, Corey, Jason, Bryce, and Nathan to watch one of his hockey matches and not flinching or looking around furtively when they say words like boyfriend or share a quick kiss. Tim, I agree with everything except, possibly, this part. Lit and I asked about what would define "fully out" and "not flinching... when they say words like boyfriend or share a quick kiss" can apply to anyone of any sexuality. It doesn't define the sexuality of the person who "doesn't flinch" nor does it indicate how "out" he or she is. For example, Rob. Rob has no problem with gay people, hell, he even has flirtatious banter with the GSA president. His actions in your story show that he is comfortable around gay people- he doesn't flinch or look around furtively when Eric and Nel kiss or refer to each other as boyfriends. So, if that quote above is supposed to demonstrate what being "fully out" is... does that mean Rob isn't a straight baseball player? 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Timothy M. Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Drew Espinosa said: Tim, I agree with everything except, possibly, this part. Lit and I asked about what would define "fully out" and "not flinching... when they say words like boyfriend or share a quick kiss" can apply to anyone of any sexuality. It doesn't define the sexuality of the person who "doesn't flinch" nor does it indicate how "out" he or she is. I see your point, Drew, and perhaps I should have used other examples. I was thinking of this incident from Unforgivable. Quote “No, thank you.” Corey could see how badly Liam wanted some time alone with the man. “My boyfriend is stopping by later, so I should get home.” Alek looked surprised at Corey’s admission. It was obvious he didn’t hang around a lot of people who were open about their sexuality. “Say hi to Jason, and don’t do anything I wouldn’t do.” Liam waggled his eyebrows comically. “That’s not a very long list,” Corey retorted. “You two kids play safe now.” Alek looked anxiously around the room, as if worried someone might overhear their conversation. Corey wondered if the hockey player was uncomfortable with the sexual joking, or if it was the nature of the teasing that bothered him. Praying again that his friend knew what he was doing, Corey said his goodbyes. Edited April 29, 2017 by Timothy M. 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Headstall Posted April 29, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2017 I sense a shift in the way we see Alek... good job, Lit... gonna need more tee-shirts 6 Link to comment
Drew Espinosa Posted April 29, 2017 Author Share Posted April 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Headstall said: I sense a shift in the way we see Alek... good job, Lit... gonna need more tee-shirts GO TEAM ALEK!!! 4 Link to comment
FormerMember4 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Headstall said: I sense a shift in the way we see Alek... good job, Lit... gonna need more tee-shirts Only if those thirst are for Marty!! Edited April 29, 2017 by BlindAmbition 3 Link to comment
Former Member Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) From Ronyx’s A Different Road ch09: 6 hours ago, hohochan657 said: I'm loving it when someone hates Brett's guts more than I do ... Great comment @jaysalmn ! So Alek and Liam just hadn’t been seeing each other long enough in their on-again-off-again thing for you to understand why some of us dislike Alek? ;-) Edited April 30, 2017 by Former Member Link to comment
hohochan657 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, droughtquake said: From Ronyx’s A Different Road ch09: So Alek and Liam just hadn’t been seeing each other in their on-again-off-again thing for you to understand why some of us dislike Alek? ;-) But Brett was cheating on Corey, behind his back ... Alek was keeping his relationship with Liam a secret ... There is a difference, granted, a small one. BUT Liam chose to end his relationship with Alek; Brett dumped Corey for Cindy ... It is very clear to me whose betrayal has been worse (as if we could grade heartaches by their degrees) Edited April 30, 2017 by hohochan657 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Lux Apollo Posted April 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2017 1 hour ago, hohochan657 said: But Brett was cheating on Corey, behind his back ... Alek was keeping his relationship with Liam a secret ... There is a difference, granted, a small one. BUT Liam chose to end his relationship with Alek; Brett dumped Corey for Cindy ... It is very clear to me whose betrayal has been worse (as if we could grade heartaches by their degrees) Depth of betrayal can only ever be measured in the eye of the beholder. Sometimes things hurt more or less than someone on the outside would think, were it to happen to them. 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Timothy M. Posted May 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2017 17 hours ago, hohochan657 said: But Brett was cheating on Corey, behind his back ... Brett dumped Corey for Cindy ... Some of us reading that story don't agree, because to us Brett and Corey were never in a romantic relationship. Corey was in love with his straight friend, who let himself be persuaded to a friends-with-benefits relationship. Brett should have stopped it sooner, and he would if Corey had admitted to being gay and in love. I fail to see any semblance to the situation with Liam and Alek - but I suppose that wasn't Drew's point. 6 Link to comment
Popular Post Bucket1 Posted May 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2017 On 30/04/2017 at 4:23 AM, Headstall said: I sense a shift in the way we see Alek... good job, Lit... gonna need more tee-shirts I still see Alek as the guy that hurt Liam... repeatedly... I still see Alek as the guy that hasn't really acknowledged the dirty little secret issue I still see Alek as the guy that has to do a bloody lot of work before I would take him back I still see Liam as part of the problem... Until he wears the "I am a homo and I love Liam" t-shirt at work, at a restaurant, at the movies, at a family lunch, Alek still has a way to go. And Liam is still part of the problem... Quite liking the idea of Team Nyce. I imagine Liam asking Bryce how he can truely be in love with Nathan, Bryce blushing and saying " you have no idea" and then giggling. Nathan is the man to tame Bryce and yes, you guessed it, Liam is still part of the problem... 7 Link to comment
Popular Post Bucket1 Posted May 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2017 Tim M has 13,000 likes! Congrats 8 Link to comment
Popular Post Timothy M. Posted May 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2017 53 minutes ago, Bucket1 said: Tim M has 13,000 likes! Congrats Jeez, mate. No need to shout it all over the site. But thanks 7 Link to comment
Popular Post Bucket1 Posted May 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Timothy M. said: Jeez, mate. No need to shout it all over the site. But thanks Well I got a bit excited because I saw you were at 12,999 just before I clicked on the like button 8 Link to comment
Popular Post LitLover Posted May 3, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) As a preventative measure to hopefully keep my hard working editor from pushing himself while he's sick and should be resting, I'm announcing that the next chapter of Choices will be delayed by one week. Even if he's better quickly, I want to give him as much time as possible to recover, and give all of you a set date to expect a chapter posting. Thanks for understanding! Edited May 3, 2017 by LitLover 8 Link to comment
Popular Post Drew Espinosa Posted May 3, 2017 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, LitLover said: As a preventative measure to hopefully keep my hard working editor from pushing himself while he's sick and should be resting, I'm announcing that the next chapter of Choices will be delayed by one week. Even if he's better quickly, I want to give him as much time as possible to recover, and give all of you a set date to expect a chapter posting. Thanks for understanding! No worries Lit! We all wish @Headstall a speedy recovery. In the meantime, I'll just play nurse for your sexy editor. 6 Link to comment
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