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  1. Grienne

    Chapter 49

    I truly do love this story, which the only reason i cant keep myself back from engaging here. I know plenty of ppl disagree, but I'm just throwing my two cents in. Here's my thing, i dont think JJ is perfect, i think he has made mistakes, and he should apologize for them. But his family (specifically in this case Will and JP) seems to be far more intentially mean spirited or vindictive. Maybe people will disagree but to me, a kid (everyone seems to agree JJ is less mature) being near-sighted, and as a consequence hurting people strikes me as a lesser sin (and more of a moment that requires parenting) then adults being the "mature" ones who knowingly hurt or bully someone. Also, Will really strikes me as disingenuous when he'll tell a perfect stranger the things that are wrong with JJ, even after the guy said he had been interested in him, and still claims he is in JJs corner. But hey, no one claimed any of the characters are perfect people, it's what makes them so great. So it's certainly not a criticism that I disagree with a character, just my reaction to what happened. I agree with those before me who said this is very well written and, as always, i do look forward to seeing how these guys move forward.
  2. Grienne

    Chapter 6

    Yay, a new adventure, and a new lieutenant! I love Spencer wanting to see Granger open the box, that was hilarious. As a side note, I ended up not too long ago having a conversation with a couple historians, centering mainly on the French revolution. I was able to stick with it and throw in just enough to pretend I knew a lot more than I actually remembered from modern euro history ap 16 years ago entirely because of our Lord Granger and his exploits - I thank you most sincerely!
  3. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    I have to say I agree with centexhairysub. And ill apologize at the top for my long rambling comments here - but i proceed. Even if you grant the premise that JJ has behaved badly with Carullo, this seems horrifically extreme. Ill certainly admit im a bit biased, I've always liked JJ. A couple points have made already and i wont rehash them. But a couple things that I find particularly galling I'll highlight. First is that JP has decided that JJ has been horrible, when all he's heard would be a summary of a couple minute conversation between Will and Carullo, and he heard it from Will. He has no idea what the actual story is here - and that seems like something he wouldn't normally just accept. Considering Will's interference is at least partly the problem between JJ and Carullo (I mean him telling Carullo things I don't think he should have and encouraging Carullo to try to spend time with and take JJ out against JJs wishes), Will seems like a particularly bad source for this - and knowing that Will has been a bit involved, you'd think JP would try to get more information. He was unimpressed when no one asked Marie why she wasn't comfortable with Will's friend at the Bastille day show down, this seems pretty similar. JP hasn't spoken to JJ as best we can tell, and no one has asked him what's going on in the apartment. The second thing, and I think the most cruel, is that they involved Bellona. They could have just asked that she get Will and Darius in, but they told her they were doing this to hurt JJ, at least enough for her to know that JJ being hurt was what she considered to be their "mission accomplished". For such a family focussed group, this confused me. Further, I'm not sure I agree that a 17 year old whose life is in freefall is just doing his normal duties in life by finding a place he can move on in, finding a way to look forward after losing skating, finding the type of school that would be particularly supportive for him and finding his footing in the new York fashion scene. I think it's hard not to be impressed by the way he handled the loss of skating and his first love without much if any guidance - especially considering he wasn't exactly on solid and supportive ground before that. Sure he can be bitchy, but is being bitchy and introverted so great a sin. Hes not cruel, he doesnt seem to be knowingly hurtful, unless im missing something. None of these guys can say that about their behavior. Now his family has decided to essentially take the world he's trying to settle into away from him. How can he have any confidence at all in that world anymore? Outside of something blatantly illegal like murder, rape or assault, I can't think of something that JJ would find more hurtful then what just happened. And the people involved know that. Do we really think Bellona will take JJ seriously anymore? He's tried to find a place where he can exist outside his brothers shadows, whether you think his judgment is fair or not, it's certainly how he feels. He found skating, which took a lot from him and then was taken from him, and now his family decides to take this? All in all, I'm just confused about the crime here. He has a lot of baggage around his sexuality and sexual encounters. This doesn't seem unreasonable in his shoes. Will is the one that owes JJ a serious apology for the information he disseminated when he knows JJ would never want that. Doubling down on JJs sexual insecurities like this is just torture. I know people are saying maybe stef will at the apartment when he gets home and they can work this out, but I hope not. I can't imagine JJ could possibly be in the right frame of mind to deal with that. Of course, like others have said, this is Mark's world, and we're lucky to be a part if it. And of course I love this series to a truly ridiculous extent - but I couldn't help but to weigh in on this as it was so shocking to me. I await eagerly the next installment.
  4. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    Hey, I haven't read it in a while but if Matt and Wade know - for my money - I'd guess they found out in The Box. Everyone else on that trip already knew and pretty much the whole family's secrets were revealed. That being said, I'm not sure they do, and I'm pretty sure none of the youngins know. If JJ knows, I don't think he found out in any of the books.
  5. Grienne

    Chapter 32

    Thank you, Mark, I'm absolutely loving the twists and turns. i spend a lot of time each week pondering what's coming next. Before the flight to new york, i was sure the drama in question was going to be around having JJ, Alex, Carullo, Buzz and Brad all in the same condo... because yeah, that would be a disaster. wow, was i wrong. I'm not sure I understand what Will is doing here, in the last two chapters he told Carullo, who Will knows JJ is attracted to, that JJ is a bum lay, and then told everyone JJ blew Buzz, but Buzz wasn't that into it. I get he's annoyed with JJ, and he's convinced himself he's got the right to spread this info, but for a guy who prides himself on being trustworthy, and who has a pretty strict idea of moral absolutism, this is very shades of grey. I think he's wandered far from his normal path. If JJ finds out (which re: the fam, he almost certainly will), I wouldn't blame JJ for being hurt, angry, and very distrustful of Will. Will has twisted his arm threatening to share romantic info before and knows how JJ feels about it. If I were JJ, I'd spend a fair bit of effort hiding my love life in the future - neither Brad nor Will will like that - if Brad notices JJ at all. Will may think he's protecting JJ, but he could have accomplished everything he wanted to on that front with a lot less disclosure. At the absolute very least, he didn't need to tell Carullo that Buzz wasn't impressed. I also thought it was interesting that his belief that JJ would take this badly was his justification for telling Carullo, but he was surprised that Stef was so concerned. I definitely think Wade's role will be interesting in the next bit here. Wade has bothered me over the last couple books, he pride himself on his honor, and considers himself part of the Crampton Schlutter clan, but this whole thing only worked so easily because he felt absolutely minimal loyalty to JJ - basically just so far as he was under his aegis in his house, and felt no need to even warn JJ that ME was up to bad tricks. He essentially gave ME permission, on a smaller scale, by asking her to just go easy. Maybe Wade couldn't have deterred much, but he's figured Liz's plans before, and he wasn't even interested this time. The lack of any effort proved that while Wade considers Matt, JP, Brad, Will and maybe Stef to be family, he doesn't extend that courtesy just based on their family ties. That would be fine, he's not family, but he puts himself forward as such, so it seems a bit..something. With Brad in Liz's crosshairs, Wade will certainly feel far more conflicted. I'm also confused by Nana, so her roll will certainly be interesting in the coming phase. As to Lord Preston's shade... I keep thinking about what business interest would align him against the Clan, but I haven't come up with anything good, this will certainly be exciting. Thank you so much, Mark, i can't wait for more, Rachel
  6. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    On southwest Airlines, you don't get seat assignments, you get boarding groups. It used to be primarily based on who checked in first (at first at the airport, then online check-in) though A1-13-ish had been reserved for certain types of tickets, now you pretty much have to buy an earlier spot all through A and probably B. There are three boarding groups, A, B and C and there are numbers within each depending on the number of seats on the plane. If you're there, you line up in order (A1 being first, A2, and onwards) and board in that order, if you're not there you can board at anytime after your number would have boarded. Moral of my story, JJ was screwed with that assignment.
  7. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    I just feel bad for those boys stuck in an elevator with no bathroom. Each time I think of a new chapter, I remember Brad and Stefan, stuck in an elevator - I looked up this blackout, I can't believe I forgot all about that. It would have been summer after freshman year for me so I was either in Boston or Chicago, which appear to be the major cities surrounding but uneffected by the blackout. Good luck, me.
  8. Grienne

    Chapter 22

    Mark, Mark, Mark, I'm going crazy now. I swear this is like the literary equivalent of edging. Please, please, pretty please don't make us wait too long for this New York summit. I am glad that Wade seems to get that he screwed up a bit with Will. I'm hoping he is expending effort to help the Crampton-Schlutters this time, my faith in his allegiance has been faltering. Thank you, Rachel
  9. Grienne

    Chapter 21

    Wow, I didn't see that coming. We are certainly being lead to believe Zach beat up Trevor, but of course that makes me think there is something else going on. Zach did say he wouldn't do anything when speaking to JP when they all met up in New York, and Will refused to give his word. As Zach knows Will went after Julius, you'd think if this was his plan he's include Will. I also don't think that if Zach attacked Trevor himself he'd let Trevor live. Zach has a cold-side, and a calculating one. Trevor being alive means he could be a witness. If someone managed to beat Trevor that completely, they could made sure he died, too. Whoever did this didn't want Trevor dead. With both of these guys injured it makes it seem as though whomever is behind all of this wanted to get these families fighting again. Like the first volly was dying down too soon for whatever is going on. Someone wants the Danfields and the Crampton-Schlutters at war. Given that Wade would appear to be the person who could suffer most in such a war, I am surprised he isn't being more careful with his treatment of Will. Wade knows how much that accusation would offend Will. He has to know that there are at least a couple possibilities with the various machinations going about, on top of Trevor's own demons. I am not sure I understand what Wade could possibly be about here. I thought I had no idea what was coming before this chapter, and now I know I really have no idea, I can't wait for more, Mark. Thank you! Rachel
  10. Grienne

    Chapter 20

    Hey Mark, I am so excited to see new chapters. I needed my fix! Thank you! Its clear we're on the edge of something, but this is the first time I've really had no idea what was about to happen. I really like the bite of JJs life. Do we know if JJ and Ella realize they Uncle/Niece? They are Jim and Rich's kids, right? I am a bit confused a bit; I went back and re-read most of Black Widow and I'm kinda confused. The dinner at Escorial and trip to Maui, the first time they get mentioned it sounds like they are already planned. When did that happen? I still remain confused about what Brad was doing in the gap between Streak and Black Widow. I get that he was being an ass, and I'm on-board with the idea he had a lot to make up for - especially with his family. But I don't get what was going on at work. It appears that everyone thought he was a complete waste and yet no one said anything. Stef acts like he never saw Brad, and he couldn't even get Brad a message that they were considering Buzz. Brad seems shocked that there are problems at work at the wedding, so he couldn't possibly be getting into arguments with Stef and Luke and he can't be MIA, if either were true he'd know that there was at least a bit of a problem. Its like they all just watched him screw up and flail in the wind while working around him. If I were Brad I would have a hard time working there, and I certainly wouldn't trust anyone. Stef made his argument for why he wants a new person, fine, and the reasons seem decent enough, so kuddos to Brad for getting over how the decision was made, and just agreeing with the end result. But Stef never seems to address that he fired him and lambasted his professional life in front of the whole family - and then he accuses Brad of being dramatic, wtf. To top off my confusion, Brad doesn't seem bothered that no one cares about him at that firm, from Stef and Luke down to Grace - he just apologizes to them and moves forward. I don't get it. Are Matt, Tiffany and two toddlers still in a tent in Africa? I can't wait to see how all of this unfolds. Rachel
  11. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    I like "helloo Dolly". I also think "Dilly Dally", like someone who goes slow has some potential, unfortunately, especially if the kids isn't exactly bright. But here's the part that really gets to me... Dally Dalby... say that five times fast (especially after a couple of glasses of wine ). Yikes. At some point stuff like this must constitute child endangerment.
  12. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    I'm pretty sure he did. In Flux, they met at the graduation parties Darius followed ME back east for "parties". Matt commented that he couldn't be held responsible for having slept with ME as far as Darius was concerned because he did it first. Darius later comments that he spent too much time with her - when explaining to Brad he can't go from 0 - 60 in relationships in no time at all. In Streak, JJ also calls and asks Darius for permission before sleeping with ME. We didn't get the story from Darius POV, so maybe they didn't actually have sex... but I think it was heavily implied.
  13. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    Fair point, but I think if JJ keeps going for guys he meets through his family he's going to have to get used to guys that have slept with one or more of this brothers.. or fathers... or grandfathers. hehe. I love the the CAP'verse.
  14. Grienne

    Black Widow (Story Discussion)

    I agree with the comments above. I think the point that Zach was to be sacrificed anyway is interesting. What bothers me is that "the plan", as Wade discribed it, is doomed to failure regardless of what Zach does. Say everything goes as intended, he cuts off Will and Will doesn't come slash his tires... Zach knows he didn't do drugs. The moment that test happens zach knows he's getting screwed. At that point he'd have two choices: get help (probably from Frank or Wally) or likely lose his football career. In the former scenario, either Frank or Wally would almost certainly get the story out of him. In the latter, the blackmail is rendered useless without football to be considered and Zach has every reason to tell the whole story. Wade is pretty rigorous, so it's hard to believe that he hasn't also considered that ensuring Zach goes down regardless means Trevor is implicated regardless. On EDs motives, we should probably remember that at this point it seems ME may have more money than ED. To those that have a hard time believing she'd burn assets for ME, I think if ED is doing this for ME, she's doing it for more than the love of her child.
  15. Grienne

    Chapter 13

    Wow, I'm kinda in love with JJ a little bit. I've tended to be a bit more pro-JJ than some, but yeah, that is awesome. It might fix JJs reputation, takes the heat off Alex, makes ME look kinda crazy. On top of that, there should be an award for awesomest ironic revenge act - this would take it hands down. That JJ had this to use was all down to her own manipulations, I love it. I'm also really glad he did it on his own. Will was tied with JP and Wade untangling this mess and making their plans. Wade admits that until the previous day the person most hurt was JJ and it doesn't seem like anyone made any effort to include him either in planning or even to fill him in on what they were learning. JJ is pretty consistently disregarded by the family except Will. I'm most enjoying Wade getting derailed by JJ. Wade has, I think, consistently demonstrated his lack of concern for JJ. As for Brad, I get that he caused the rift himself, mainly, but I still feel for how badly he must be doing. Will and Stef are hard people to reconcile with. They both require abject surrender and a fair amount of pride swallowing. With Brad and Robbie the reconciliations were often like post-mortems. Sure, it would take a bit to get there, but once they were ready, the person most at fault would have some work to do, but there was usually acknowledged guilt on both sides and they'd meet somewhere in the middle. Neither Stef nor Will really work that way. At least not as obviously. Not to mention, with regards to Stef, unless Stef perceived some malice in Brad's poor work performance, I think he's the one that needs to start the apology - but it doesn't even seem as though Stef sees any fault. As for how much we really know at this point... there seem to be a few gaps in the version Wade retold. Maybe Wade knows more, but is holding back, but if we accept his summary as the truth then I'm forced to ask: - Isn't there an easier way to get JJ out of England? Scattering a large powerful family to the four winds, orchestrating a drug scandal and blackmailing someone three degrees of separation from the situation, involving the US Navy? .. thats a lot of work to end a relationship. Especially when I'm not 100% sure why ME cares so much. - There are a lot of people involved that don't have an explained motive: What was in it for Alex's father? How'd they get Alex to help Marc? Who is the earl's friend that asked for JP to be included in the conference? Why are we believing a tabloid journo's confession about the source? Did Trevor actually say ED put him up to it? You've said Wade is pretty much always right with his family, but he must be holding something back on what the point of all of this is. I'm keeping my tin foil cap at the ready. This was an awesome chapter, I can't wait to see ME's response, and well everyone's response. Thank you, Rachel
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